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Brooklyn Bob 09-24-2021 12:13 PM

Godin 5th Ave. Kingpin anyone?
 
I'm flirting with the idea of an inexpensive jazz box. Anyone have experience with one of these?

mr. beaumont 09-24-2021 12:43 PM

I've had one for over 10 years, and while I own a "nicer" jazzbox, I don't think I'll ever part with the Godin. It's just darn fun to play, and the Godin P-90 is excellent, and not too noisy.

I think the Kingpins are one of those things where if it works for you, you know very quickly.

Brooklyn Bob 09-24-2021 01:17 PM

Thanks Jeff!

Steve DeRosa 09-24-2021 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont (Post 6817283)
I've had one for over 10 years, and while I own a "nicer" jazzbox, I don't think I'll ever part with the Godin. It's just darn fun to play, and the Godin P-90 is excellent, and not too noisy.

I think the Kingpins are one of those things where if it works for you, you know very quickly.

+1, and the CW II version - two P-90's and a cutaway - just ups the grins (and versatility) by a factor of 10. I own one, and it's more than just a jazzbox: the ultra-thin woods used in its construction (mine scales in at just a tick over five pounds - about the same as a Seagull mini-jumbo) give it an airy, lively response that lends a Brooklyn Gretsch vibe to the midrangey P-90 tone - a definite contrast to the "thud-&-mud" of most laminated instruments, and useable for clean blues, rockabilly, '50s/60s R&R and R&B, first-wave Brit Invasion, and even surf. It also has the customary Godin QC/playability - mine was one of three guitars I've owned over the last six decades that needed no setup whatsoever - and other than the Korean-made Gretsch 5400-Series Electromatic hollows, IME there's nothing else in the same league in the under-$1K category:

https://godinguitars.com/wp-content/...ognacburst.jpg

Dadzmad 09-24-2021 08:44 PM

My Kingpin is one that always stays out on a stand. Sounds decent unplugged or even better through some old glass and a 15" speaker. These are well made and a great value.

https://i.imgur.com/wbaEXAO.jpg

Dru Edwards 09-25-2021 09:24 AM

I've played one before and it's got a sweet, rockin' tone thanks to the P90 and an amp's overdrive. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if I was in the market for one. Godin is a well respected name.

SpruceTop 09-25-2021 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve DeRosa (Post 6817400)
+1, and the CW II version - two P-90's and a cutaway - just ups the grins (and versatility) by a factor of 10. I own one, and it's more than just a jazzbox: the ultra-thin woods used in its construction (mine scales in at just a tick over five pounds - about the same as a Seagull mini-jumbo) give it an airy, lively response that lends a Brooklyn Gretsch vibe to the midrangey P-90 tone - a definite contrast to the "thud-&-mud" of most laminated instruments, and useable for clean blues, rockabilly, '50s/60s R&R and R&B, first-wave Brit Invasion, and even surf. It also has the customary Godin QC/playability - mine was one of three guitars I've owned over the last six decades that needed no setup whatsoever - and other than the Korean-made Gretsch 5400-Series Electromatic hollows, IME there's nothing else in the same league in the under-$1K category:

https://godinguitars.com/wp-content/...ognacburst.jpg

Steve, does a Godin P-90 pickup approach the hot signal output and wonderful tonality of a Gibson P-90?

mr. beaumont 09-25-2021 10:23 AM

In a world of AFWUL P90 clones (I'm looking at you "The Loar") the Godin P90 is a ray of sunshine. It sounds exactly like a P90 should.

SpruceTop 09-25-2021 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont (Post 6817968)
In a world of AFWUL P90 clones (I'm looking at you "The Loar") the Godin P90 is a ray of sunshine. It sounds exactly like a P90 should.

Jeff, that's good to hear!

Steve DeRosa 09-25-2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SpruceTop (Post 6817938)
...does a Godin P-90 pickup approach the hot signal output and wonderful tonality of a Gibson P-90?

FWIW Godin, in their legendary good taste and wisdom, chose to equip the Kingpin/CW II with something from the more refined side of the spectrum - IME far better suited to the ultra-lightweight construction (this thing would howl like a demented banshee with hot pickups). If you like the sound of some of the underwound P-90's (whether vintage originals or aftermarket issues from Lollar, Duncan, DiMarzio, etc.) you'll love these - you know immediately what it is, but it doesn't hammer your (or your listeners') eardrums into submission making its presence known, and I concur with Jeff in his evaluation that it's the ideal P-90 tone for this type of guitar...

SpruceTop 09-25-2021 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve DeRosa (Post 6817979)
FWIW Godin, in their legendary good taste and wisdom, chose to equip the Kingpin/CW II with something from the more refined side of the spectrum - IME far better suited to the ultra-lightweight construction (this thing would howl like a demented banshee with hot pickups). If you like the sound of some of the underwound P-90's (whether vintage originals or aftermarket issues from Lollar, Duncan, DiMarzio, etc.) you'll love these - you know immediately what it is, but it doesn't hammer your (or your listeners') eardrums into submission making its presence known, and I concur with Jeff in his evaluation that it's the ideal P-90 tone for this type of guitar...

Thanks, Steve, you just upped a Godin 5th Avenue Kingpin/CW II to the top of my list! Now, to decide between that and a Gibson Les Paul Special Dual P-90 TV Yellow ax ...

Steve DeRosa 09-25-2021 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SpruceTop (Post 6818106)
...you just upped a Godin 5th Avenue Kingpin/CW II to the top of my list! Now, to decide between that and a Gibson Les Paul Special Dual P-90 TV Yellow ax ...

Different animal entirely; I own a 2011 LP Studio '60s Tribute goldtop (a limited-production version with PRS-style revealed "binding") that serves as my "rock" guitar - and while the flatwound strings I use do allow less-aggressive styles (I own a Strat, I've played Jaguars/Jazzmasters/Mosrites, and I've yet to find a better surf guitar), unlike the Godin it really comes into its own when those little glass tone bottles in your amp are getting down and dirty :wild:. As you know I'm primarily a Gretsch player - a 3-PU 5622 is my first grab since it covers 95% of what I generally need on a gig - and far be it from me to be an enabler :evilgrin:, but there's a reason I own both. That said, since you already have the hollowbody thing very well-covered for now with your 5420-59, if it's an either/or proposition I'd opt for a P-90 LP and hold the Godin for a later date...

Brooklyn Bob 09-26-2021 06:21 AM

Good discussion. Found this on the Godin page.


Mandobart 09-26-2021 09:43 AM

Everyone talks about the P90 pickups, which must be good. I have only tried the Godin out acoustically in a few Seattle shops, and found it very underwhelming.

If you want an archtop that you can play unplugged I wouldn't recommend it.

Dadzmad 09-26-2021 10:14 AM

When I got my Kingpin about 10 years ago it was the only acoustic guitar I had at the time. I found the factory supplied strings, 0.12s, gave the plywood guitar a thin sound unplugged. I can say that a set of Martin Retro's 0.13s seem to "wake it up" nicely. I also think that a Kingpin sounds great unplugged when played alongside a flat top.


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