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08-08-2017, 10:51 AM
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more CITES bad news for Canadians
Over on the other stringed instruments section I posted a sweet deal for a ukulele. In fact, so sweet that I wanted to get one for myself even though I really don't need another uke, but when I looked at the eBay ad more closely I noticed the "does not ship to Canada". A few years ago I had bought a higher end guitar from this dealer so thought I would ask him why he would not ship and try to change his mind. Anyway, we exchanged a few e-mails and it became apparent that he cannot ship ANY instruments to Canada that contain rosewood (this uke has a rosewood fingerboard), because manufacturers do not release the relevant documentation to dealers! This is rather grim news as now Canadians will be forced to buy instruments from Canadian dealers where the choice and selection of guitars is much smaller, prices may be higher, and fewer special deals may be available. But I'm also surprised that I have not read about this before, and am wondering if others had success buying new instruments with rosewood from authorized dealers in US and having them shipped to Canada (i.e. this one is just an isolated case).
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08-08-2017, 10:56 AM
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I sympathise with your problem but this is not just a North American issue - this is world wide.
No-one could sensibly support the wholesale destruction of rosewood resources as seems to be happening in Madagascar but CITES rules will affect all cross border shipments. Imports/sales of US made instruments into Europe /Scandinavia etc., are equally affected.
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08-08-2017, 11:48 AM
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Oh well, in a few hundred years folks might be able to use Rosewood again. Anyway, it just goes underground like everything else.
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08-08-2017, 11:54 AM
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I have been looking at the Yamaha LJ6/LJ16's. I noticed a store in the UK still carried them (GC and Sweetwater do not). Their on-line ad stated none of them could be exported to any other country!
Is this for the same reason? They have rosewood back and sides.
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08-08-2017, 12:02 PM
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My point did not concern the availability of rosewood. The ukulele in question is also available from Canadian dealers, as would be many other instruments that have rosewood such as Martin D-28 etc. The issue here is that manufactures may not release the documents necessary for export to the authorized dealers, but do all the cross-border traffic themselves in bulk to their authorized dealers in other countries. This severely limits the options for us end-users of guitars, but of course also shrinks the markets for those dealers who do a lot of business in other countries.
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08-08-2017, 12:12 PM
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I didn't realize this was a ban on all rosewood - I knew Brazilian was on the list...
Brutal.
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08-08-2017, 12:37 PM
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08-08-2017, 12:44 PM
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08-08-2017, 02:23 PM
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I think the issue is that, without the proper paperwork certifying that the instrument doesn't contain any CITES limited materials, they won't let them over the borders.
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08-08-2017, 04:02 PM
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Don't know about anyone else, but I could be perfectly content spending the rest of my life playing Godin/Larrivee/Halcyon and drinking Molson... 
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08-08-2017, 04:05 PM
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08-08-2017, 04:14 PM
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Ah, but many Larrivees are now made in Oxnard, California. At least my two were.
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08-08-2017, 07:31 PM
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08-08-2017, 07:47 PM
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That's not 'new' bad news, it's the same bad news that we already knew.
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