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Old 02-21-2008, 01:29 PM
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Default Best Pickup for Resonator

I have a Regal Duolian biscuit bridge guitar that I've been mic-ing with a Shure Beta SM-57. Does someone in the forum have experience with a good pickup on a steel-bodied resonator like this? I want to capture the resonator sound.

I've been reading about Fishman and K&K resonator pickups - I have a lot of experience with Fishman products, and none with K&K.

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Old 02-21-2008, 01:41 PM
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I have a Regal Duolian biscuit bridge guitar that I've been mic-ing with a Shure Beta SM-57. Does someone in the forum have experience with a good pickup on a steel-bodied resonator like this? I want to capture the resonator sound.

I've been reading about Fishman and K&K resonator pickups - I have a lot of experience with Fishman products, and none with K&K.

Thoughts?

- mike
My '29 National Style O had already been restored by Don Young and McGregor Gaines when I bought it, and they had also installed a Highlander pickup under the biscuit and it does sound very good. Very warm and full and not overly steely or clanky. It requires a battery but mine has the battery in a little box that sits on the floor or you can belt clip it to your belt or strap or whatever.

I don't believe it's a preamp...it's just to house the 9 volt battery.

You can install the output jack in the lower F hole like Mark Knopfler does it. I wouldn't drill a hole in the side of the guitar or anything radical like that!

I personally wouldn't have put a pickup in a 80 year old guitar like mine to begin with, but the previous owner asked for it. It has a newer National neck too.

In any case, the Highlander sounds really good.

I love K&K's pickups but have only heard the Pure Western and Trinity Western.

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Old 02-21-2008, 01:49 PM
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Thanks Lew. Doesn't that Highlander require a stereo cable, rather than a plain DI cable, for the battery pack to work?
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:51 PM
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Thanks Lew. Doesn't that Highlander require a stereo cable, rather than a plain DI cable, for the battery pack to work?
Yes it does require a stereo cord between the guitar and the battery pack.

I'm curious what Mark Knopfler uses. I saw him recently and his Style O amplifies beautifully!
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:56 PM
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thats an interesting question...i've wondered how it would work to add a pickup to w metal bodied resonator..hhmm...no ground or feedback problems?...
i sort of "predicted" i might want to amplify my resonator so i bought a michael kelly bijou"e" with a neck humbucker and a transducer type underneath. it works great and instead of a tone control i have a blend control that offers many many options for sound type. its really a fine instrument with or without amplification. i wa "leary" of how a pickup might work (or not) in a metal one...interesting topic.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:00 PM
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thats an interesting question...i've wondered how it would work to add a pickup to w metal bodied resonator..hhmm...no ground or feedback problems?...
i sort of "predicted" i might want to amplify my resonator so i bought a michael kelly bijou"e" with a neck humbucker and a transducer type underneath. it works great and instead of a tone control i have a blend control that offers many many options for sound type. its really a fine instrument with or without amplification. i wa "leary" of how a pickup might work (or not) in a metal one...interesting topic.
It works beautifully in mine. But it was also installed by Don Young himself so it was done correctly. There are minor issues with feedback...those metal bodies feedback easily if the guitar is to loud in the monitors.

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:01 PM
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I'm curious what Mark Knopfler uses. I saw him recently and his Style O amplifies beautifully!
Lew, that might also have a little something to do with how Mark plays the thing...
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:07 PM
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Lew, that might also have a little something to do with how Mark plays the thing...
No doubt. He also has his foot on a volume pedal almost constantly while playing.

I just did a google search for: "Mark Knopfler National Pickup" and came up with some info.

Here's what Mark Knopfler uses: http://highlanderpickups.com/catalog/inline.htm

Same one Don put in mine I believe.

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Old 02-21-2008, 02:25 PM
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It works beautifully in mine. But it was also installed by Don Young himself so it was done correctly. There are minor issues with feedback...those metal bodies feedback easily if the guitar is to loud in the monitors.

Lew
cool!...feedback is a problem with the transducer pickup in mine as well if i am too close to the speaker or the volume is too high at the instrument side so i use a volume pedal to control that..somewhat.
i like to use a bit of "overdrive" with mine sometimes and that really gets touchy but, when its right,,,...oooo baby!
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:51 PM
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I have the National/Lace stick-on magnetic pickup on my steel bodied National and it works and sounds great. None of the pickups I listened to (Highlander, Pickup The World, Cone Tone, etc) sounded truly like a reso. I think there's just too much going on sonically. But this pickup sounded as reso as any of them (really) and can handle BAND volumes. Excellent for Chris Whitley kind of tones, very versatile. It has some magnetic character, but for my ears/tastes that's a lot more musical than piezo character.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:57 PM
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National is offering a new option. It's called a hotplate. It consists of a new coverplate that has a cutout with a magnetic (tele-style) pickup as well as vol/tone controls and 1/4" jack. You remove the original cover plate and put it aside for safe-keeping and install the "Hotplate". There is no modifications to the guitar at all. This is not a cheap option but many National players are raving about the results.

http://store.nationalguitars.com/hot-plate.aspx

I looked into the Fishman pickup for my (spider-brige) Dobro DM33. I didn't like the fact that it requires a battery be mounted inside the instrument. This design would make it extremely inconvenient to replace batteries. Highlander does not make a pickup for spiders, at least they didn't.

Another inexpensive option is a McIntyre Feather pickup, or the K&K..
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:40 PM
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Kind of cool, but $395? I thought the Lace thing was a little pricey, but I was happy I spent the money once I heard it. But considering it's a $90 pickup, maybe $10 worth of pots and a jack and a cover plate, strikes me as a little spendy. I would also have reservations about a single coil for acoustic applications. Yeah, I know Fishman does a single coil rare earth, but why have the noise? Guess I'll just have to hear one.
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Old 02-23-2008, 08:52 AM
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+1 on the Highlander.
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