Fake Taylor 912ce?

[Seagull S6]

Originally Posted by frets4fun

I wouldn't buy a fake anything, regardless of the price. But, that's just me.

Unfortunately a lot of people don't feel that way. People are just so pleased with themselves when they can save a buck.

On a car forum this guy bought a Chinese knockoff of an OEM turbo for about 1/3 the price of an OEM turbo and at first start up it leaked oil profusely. He was just overjoyed that when he took it back for warranty the 2nd Chinese turbo he got came with free gaskets.

It's like: "Son, that turbo could have hydrolocked your engine and destroyed it". He didn't care because holy cow, he got free gaskets!!!!!!!!!

Just because there is no logo doesn't mean it's not intellectual theft. I'd feel funny owning one of these guitars. It would feel like owning illegitimate goods.

[Mr. Paul]

I saw that listing this morning and noticed the brand was listed as "Chaylor" so it's not like the seller is trying to fool anyone.

If a well respected luthier like Ken Hooper can make repros of Martin D-18s and even call them D-18s why not? It's an attractive guitar. If it's put together right and plays well it's worth a few hundred bucks.

[Jcamp]

I am opossed to buying a forgery that says it’s a Martin or Taylor or anything else that is is not. I am not opposed to buying one of those guitars with a different name on it. At one point I’d thought about buying one with my name on it but decided against it. From what I’ve seen in reviews everything on them are positive They seem to sound good and look sharp. As for needing set up, most guitars will need that. The guitars r made in China just like nice Alvarez or Eastman guitars Heck probably the same workers doing the construction
As for price no I don’t think it’s worth $800. At that price order a copy somewhere else or buy a use Larrivee.
As for copy guitars in general. Most normal ppl can not and will not ever be able to afford a fancy name brand or custom guitar with the details like the inlays in these guitars. A lot of folks r doing good to hav a car worth what some of the “real” guitars r

[vindibona1]

Originally Posted by Frozen Rat

Just because there is no logo doesn't mean it's not intellectual theft. I'd feel funny owning one of these guitars. It would feel like owning illegitimate goods.

How much different does a product have to be to be considered "following a trend" as opposed to intellectual theft?

[ChalkLitIScream]

The tuners seem to be Gotohs, which aren't cheap themselves. If they're the 21:1 ratio ones, 1/3 of the price goes towards that.

I hope all this Chaylor and Chartin talk doesn't put bad light on Charis Guitars!

[robj144]

The ad says it's a fake PS model.

[GaryH]

If it's not labeled I have a hard time finding fault.

[Long Jon]

Originally Posted by ChalkLitIScream

The tuners seem to be Gotohs, which aren't cheap themselves. If they're the 21:1 ratio ones, 1/3 of the price goes towards that.

“SEEM” to be is right.

All that real gold must add to the cost too.

Not for me thanks, I’m happy with my genuine Faylur .

[The Bard Rocks]

The replies so far have been pretty much one sided, but I see this as a curious question, mainly, how far does it have to go to stop being intellectual theft? Removing the labels removes the most obvious. Rebranding takes it a step further. I have no problem with the "Ch" preceding the name you are copying as it tells the consumer what you are trying to do yet make it clear that this is a Chinese copy.

Regarding the two that the OP pictured, the differences in the inlay and the rosette are enough to easily tell them apart. which is good.

The harder part are design features, construction methods - bracing, neck attachment. We see this all the time on perfectly acceptable-to-all US-made guitars. How many make Dreads that we don't complain about? That's a Martin thing.... well, it used to be. Or the Taylor bolt-on neck? How about a Manzer wedge? That's copywritten and I'll bet not all makers who use it have done so with permission of Linda Manzer.

So, we've got essentially the same kind of thing going on in the high value market here at home and we don't get the same kind of disgust over copying or ripping off intellectual property? Why not? Really, other than price, what is the difference?

I am asking these questions to get answers more than to play Devil's advocate.

ooooohh, shiney!

[Mystery123]

Originally Posted by ChalkLitIScream

The tuners seem to be Gotohs, which aren't cheap themselves. If they're the 21:1 ratio ones, 1/3 of the price goes towards that.

I hope all this Chaylor and Chartin talk doesn't put bad light on Charis Guitars!

Not real Gotohs.
The ad has this:

Gotoh 510 style tuners (not real Gotohs, but very nice)