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Bought an 00-15 new in box, setup was slightly high, but slight is the key word there.
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And as to your comment about special customers, I have no doubt, that if you're special enough, they have your preferred action on file, and the guitar that gets shipped to you comes just the way you like it. No question you're right in my mind. |
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I've never heard of anyone buying a guitar directly from Martin. I thought you were required to order through a dealer.
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As a songwriter I should know better than using words in haste.
Using the word 'Poor' in the title was an hasty error,sorry. Another lesson learnt
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It's pretty much been said already, and as the owner of over 20 Martins (a core group and revolving "visitors") it's a non-issue to me.
I really think it's the tire kicker non serious buyers who complain. A serious buyer will ask to have the strings changed if needed, and knows a setup is expected with Martins. That's their business model and I don't argue with it, and as long as folks like me who do buy Martins (core customers) don't have a problem then..........there isn't one. Again experienced players understand these things. A GC tire kicker who plays a Taylor with 11-12's on it then goes over to a Martin dreads with 13's, can't play it then goes on a forum rant about Martins wasn't going to buy the guitar anyway. Yes this is a generalization, but it seems to apply to a lot of post here, a lot of younger Taylor fans seem to love to dump on Martin, almost weekly posts here. If you're not used to 13's and a medium action yes a Martin will seem tougher to play than a low action lighter gauge Taylor. You can buy the Taylor or if you prefer the Martins tone get a setup, it's that simple.
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Mmmmm,Wish I had been born with that kinda knowledge rmyAddison,sadly I have to acquire it over time.
A naive and un-knowing disposition does not always equal a non serious buyer though,now wheres those tyres,sure I left them around here somewhere
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You may be interested to learn that Taylor dreads are shipped with 13's as well, and that no Taylor is shipped with 11's. A stock Taylor dread with 13's is easier to play than a Martin dread with the same 13's which may be why younger players are buying Taylors. Another things that helps to sell their guitars is the use of expensive coated strings which last ten time longer in stores so they're guitars don't sound dead after two weeks like Martins do. Rich, if you don't already work for Martin I think you should send them a bill for all the shilling you do for them. Oh, I should point out that my D-18 needed no setup. But I happen to be one of those older experienced players. Last edited by scooter74; 08-09-2010 at 09:32 AM. |
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I'm basically waiting for the "just as good as" type of posts ( and rebuttals ) to make this thread complete. If we all work together we can also discuss used vs. new, and online vs. hands-on, this bus isn't nearly full yet.
Go Team!
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FWIW, my experience with new-fresh-from-the-factory Martins is that they haven't needed a setup, but only a slight adjustment to the truss rod to remove a little of the neck relief. Somewhere between 1/8 to 1/4 turn and they are good to go for me.
So jmcphail, mine are "just as good as" someone else's and used is used more than new, while online is hands-free compared to hands-on, and now this bus is full. |
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I love my Martins and I also enjoy my Taylors. I also have other manufacturers' guitars. I do not have any ax to grind here. But I do believe that it is true that Taylor does a better job of getting the action dialed in a little closer than Martin does -- for whatever reason. I have also noticed that Martin seems to be doing a better job in recent years than they used to regarding the action on their guitars from the factory.
Either way, Martin's factory action is a non-issue for me, personally, but I can understand why Taylor's factory setup can make for a better first impression for many potential buyers. The Taylor people have been very smart about this from my viewpoint; I see this as good marketing right at the point of sale. Regards, Glenn |
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Why on earth would they want to string their guitars up on Elixers or some other coated string, just so they would have longer playability at a store? That's putting quantity over quality in my opinion. Besides, if the guitar has dead strings the store will usually oblige with a new set if you ask. Dead strings or not, Martin is selling a lot of guitars. |
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Enjoy your D-18, my apologies if my intent wasn't clear or seemed confrontational. More than once I have posted play what you love and allow others to do the same. Take care!
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