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Whether I prefer Picasso or Pollock I can instantly identify their work. They are easily distinguishable from each other. It doesn't matter if I "like" how a Torres sounds. I should be able to identify a Torres guitar (or a Stradivari violin) in a double-blind experiment. But I can't. And, apparently, experts cannot either. Again...it's NOT preference. I might (or might not) like peanut butter...but I can identify it when comparing it to mustard.
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As for Picasso and Pollock , i wasnt talking about identification but about greatness. Why are they great? Because we liked them.... PREFERENCE. |
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I highly doubt that someone that paid $6,000,000.00 for a Stradivari Violin, is going to admit it sucks.
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The results of the study show that these "experts" could not say "Hey, these are the same/different" in any statistically significant way. The participants could not distinguish a Stradivari violin (peanut butter) from a modern violin (mustard). I think the analogy should be, "Can you distinguish between these mustards where one is made from seeds from Denmark while the other has seeds from India."
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You ll choose what you like, right? and the others are just peanut butter |
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And I can pass the Coke/Pepsi test with flying colors. But I don't think I could do well in a listening test with plastic bridge pins vs bone pins...or closed gear tuners vs open geared tuners...or a Stradivari violin vs a Gusset. And I'm basing that on the fact that study after study has show. That "experts" can't identify them either.
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I have a Roland GR-55, and while some sounds are so-so, some of the models are very well done; so much so that I've fooled more than a couple people on some demoes and recordings. But it just don't "feel" right. I can emulate a Strat, Tele, LP, L-4, jumbo, 12 string, coming through virtually any amp. And the sound's good, but not too convincing under the fingers. Moreso with the MIDI instruments. I can "sound" like a Kenny G's sax, and can even bend notes and get that "airy" sound, but it's just not the same as playing an actual sax. As to violins - just because it's a Stradivarius doesn't mean it's a good sounding one. There are very few surviving Stradivari violins, and of those, few that are actually playable... The amount of testers was too small (only 10) and it was a narrow margin of victory (6 to 4). The only thing this test tells me, is I should have been a research scientist, because to get a grant to do such ridiculous research that really is fruitless and inconclusive. Next up - research scientists find people eat with their eyes.... |
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No, I wouldn't pick what I would like. I'd distinguish between them. If you gave me 3 spoonfuls of peanut butter (YUM!) and said 2 of them are JIF and 1 of them is Peter Pan, I could say which was which. Like the violins...half the time folks guessed they were a Stradivari...half the time they guessed they weren't a Stradivari. Id do better with peanut butter. Can we PLEASE do the peanut butter test?
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Ok, back to delicious peanut butter. We have a new experiment. If you gave me 3 spoonfuls of peanut butter and said 2 of them are brand X and 1 of them is brand Y, I could say which is which. I suppose this scenario is more indicative of the Stradivari experiment. Although some of the players did have experience with Stradivari violins and I'd hope would have a highly trained ear.
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By the way, I just got a spoonful of peanut butter to enjoy while I await your response.
Unfortunately, I'm about to turn in for the night. So, if I'm still invigorated on this subject, we can continue when the sun rises again.
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So I see your point in regards to the test. However, Stradivari violins have been considered rather superior to any/most/all other violins for the past 300 years. They've been x-rayed, measured, scraped, prodded, weighed, microscopically analyzed, etc. My expectation would be that they have such a history of being lauded as "superior" that you'd assume they'd be readily distinguishable from other violins. I'm not sure I'm ready to accept the argument of, "Well, if you own and play a Stradivari then (and only then) will you be able to hear how it's better."
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I did not see any mention of which Stradivarius violin was used in the study. Could be one not made by Antonio which also would not be one that is a revered Strad. |
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I think that stands for every instrument...you 'll have to play it for a long time to evaluate it.
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