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As I said, I am by no means a computer tech. I am a driver and not a mechanic . In point of fact I actually still do record to a secondary drive and alway have since it is what Digi recommended back when I got into DAW recording in 2003, and currently I am still using an older cheese grater Mid 2010 Mac Pro, which originally only had spinner HD's 3 as a matter of fact. But I need to thank you because even though I had heard the term 'swap files" I really didn't know what they were. I had to google up the term and found this. Which seems to shed some light on the subject. "Basically when your Mac needs memory it will push something that isn’t currently being used into a swapfile for temporary storage. When it needs accessing again, it will read the data from the swap file and back into memory. In a sense this can create unlimited memory, but it is significantly slower since it is limited by the speed of your hard disk, versus the near immediacy of reading data from RAM. "
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The whole 'track to a secondary drive thing was frequently mentioned in the HomeRecording forums 6 years ago when I was just starting to PC record, but external drives were way above my budget, and my computer at the time had no extra drive slots. Current Win 7 computer, not super fast, 6G of RAM, never had an issue when recording (occasional crashes unrelated to the recording software, of course). Yesterday I was tracking MIDI, one track at a time, had 10 tracks with a VSTi on each by the time I was done, as well as the 10 audio tracks and EZ Drummer 2 and never had a glitch. When I was done tracking the MIDI, I rendered all to audio for regular volume and EQ processing.
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There's not a lot more to get into, unless you want to delve into the minutiae of disk controllers & buss communications...which isn't going to be particularly interesting to most. Heck, I understand it and I don't even want to get into that level of detail
The big take-away is really this: if you want to be safe, use a secondary drive. If you push a boot drive you will degrade your audio. The problem is that you may not have a good enough setup (or your ears may not be tuned in enough) to hear the degradation...that does not mean it isn't happening. In situations like like those, the issues start long before they become obvious. The other thing to think about is that if you do record to your boot drive you are working it harder than it needs to be worked & are shortening it's lifespan. That's also a problem that only becomes obvious when it's too late. HTH
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Again I'm not advocating the abandonment of external drives. I have them lying around ever nook and cranny of both my home and bay at work. They're a wonderful tool and they still provide virtually all the advantages they always have. |
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and, while we're at this, please let's distinguish between an external second drive and an internal second drive.
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We've tried. We've tried.
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Yes But: I think perhaps there are actually two different discussions . #1 is writing to a second drive (other than boot drive) as significant a factor "currently" in terms of reliable performance as it was in the past ? In which case I don't see the distinction in logistics between being the second drive internal or external, as being all that important per se . #2 if the second drive is external then does transfer speed become a possible issue as opposed to internal again "currently", in which case the distinction could be important. It would seem to me that if you have multiple internal drives and there is room on them (like I do) then there is probably no reason to not write to a second one . But that is not the same discussion as if you do not have a second internal drive. I think the real question in this discussion is . If you don't have multiple internal drives and your recording situation is A. amateur and/or B. of little to only modest complexity and C. you have plenty of room on the internal SSD drive, then is a writing to second drive really all that significant a factor to consider ? Now obviously backing up to a second drive is still highly advisable but that is obviously a 3 rd discussion.
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And when it comes to the system and the DAW software and the audio all being on the same drive, it's gonna be a while before I get past the president-and-vice-president-on-the-same-plane thing. |
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Actually, when it comes to the same-plane thing, that's another precaution that might have become outdated. :-)
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wait ! wait !!!! ... is that the Doors second album playing over and over at the subliminal decibel level, or just the scream of the butterfly ?
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I think given the above conditions, it's not significant. Backup! Oh, definitely. Internal or external. The "internal" presumes that you have the ability to get to that internal drive if the computer dies. I have a ribbon cable and box rig that let's me connect a raw drive by its SATA connector and bring it up on another computer via Firewire or USB. I don't often use it, but it does come in handy. If you're looking for one of them, lemme know and I'll get it out of my skunk works. |