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May I suggest posting your source, and the year the figures are for? I agree with you both that Taylor's income there seems low. For a figure of 75,000 guitars/year (which I heard was the number within the last several years), that means a per-unit income of $285 which just seems low considering the range of prices their guitars have. And they currently have more than 320 employees, too. The dust jacket from Bob Taylor's "Guitar Lessons" book (released earlier this year) says Taylor has over 500 employees. That's split between El Cajon and Tecate, but I don't know how.
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Interesting, looked up the info in OneSource and it says its 377.6 million and 400 employees.
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also according to refusa, the number of employees has gone down, just a little. 415 in 2008, to 400 in 2010. it's hard to estimate what taylor's overhead is or what their profit is. it's a private company. Business Expenditures 2010 Accounting Over $25,000 Advertising Over $250,000 Contract Labor Over $500,000 Insurance Over $100,000 Legal Over $25,000 Management/Administration Over $100,000 Office Equipment & Supplies Over $250,000 Package/Container Over $50,000 Payroll & Benefits Over $10 Million Purchased Print Over $25,000 Rent & Leasing Over $500,000 Technology Over $50,000 Telecommunications Over $250,000 Utilities Over $100,000
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Found something on Fender/Taylor:
"Starting Jan. 1, El Cajon-based Taylor Guitars plans to assume control of its European distribution through its own European-based offices and warehouse in Amsterdam. A company statement said the Netherlands headquarters will support operations including sales, distribution, customer service and factory-level repair for Taylor product owners throughout Europe. The move follows a distribution agreement with Fender Musical Instruments Corp., which began in 2008 and covers the European market. The Netherlands offices will be staffed with full-time Taylor employees. Taylor Guitars was founded in 1974. Its acoustic and electric guitars have been used by leading musicians, including Dave Matthews, Jason Mraz, Prince and Taylor Swift." Cited from: San Diego Business Journal 20 December 2010 By Hirsh, Lou
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I don't know if it's going to be possible. you probably know much more than i do. correct me if I'm wrong, but for private companies I think these figures are provided by the companies themselves, and thru the use of extensive legalese or provisioning, aren't they kind of able to report anything they like (within reason)? the vague ranges would make any estimates based upon them be rather wild.
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I'd be interested in knowing the percentage of market share that Taylor and Marin have but I haven't been able to find any figures on that. I believe Taylor has the dominant market share in for the acoustic-electric guitar category based on what Listug said in his Wood & Steel column last year.
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Taylor guitars recently started appearing in the local shops here in Slovenia.
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I think they're going to continue to grow in the next few years. From the analysis that I read about the Music Instruments industry, it looks promising (despite the used instruments market, which I thought would have a bigger impact on the companies).
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Oh, I bet there are more than a few folks sitting in offices/cubicles on Gillespie Way right now with bemused smirks on their faces...
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not that big of a challenge to value a company, but I'm sure there are guys with smirks thinking that we can't
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