The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > Other Discussions > Events and New Releases

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 11-24-2016, 03:09 PM
ErikAnd ErikAnd is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Posts: 9
Default The North American Guitar is looking for investors



Interesting. So if I were to invest the minimum of 10 pounds (12 dollars U.S.), how would I see a return on the investment? Perhaps if they were to ever be acquired by another company for a higher valuation, I'd receive 20 pounds back? Is that how it works?

I am intrigued that they are working with Avian guitars to relaunch the brand. I'd be more inclined to invest directly into the Avian company since I believe that they're on to something there.

I don't like that the only way to really dig into all of the information and particulars requires you to make an account with Crowdcube.

https://www.crowdcube.com/companies/...GjEZ#providers

Last edited by ErikAnd; 11-24-2016 at 04:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-24-2016, 03:14 PM
skinnerb skinnerb is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: In view of the Willapa river, Western Washington
Posts: 179
Default

What is Crowd cube???

Last edited by Kerbie; 11-26-2016 at 06:12 PM. Reason: Edited language
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-24-2016, 03:20 PM
ErikAnd ErikAnd is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Posts: 9
Default

It's the first I've heard of Crowdcube, but then again, I don't invest money. It seems like Kickstarter.

I would recommend to them that they put the details about how to invest on their own website so that you don't have to make a Crowdcube account just to research it further.

On another note, how do you post a Youtube video so that the video itself shows up in the post, rather than just a link?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-24-2016, 03:29 PM
ErikAnd ErikAnd is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnerb View Post
What is Crowd cube???
https://vimeo.com/173029255
Crowdcube looks to be a British version of Kickstarter.

Last edited by Kerbie; 11-26-2016 at 06:13 PM. Reason: Edited quote
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-24-2016, 04:16 PM
Parlorman Parlorman is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 783
Default

I don't think this is an investment so much as it is them wanting you to give them money.
__________________
Bill

Guitars:
1910's Larson/Stetson 1 size guitar
1920's Larson/Stahl 0 size guitar
1893 Martin 0-28 (for sale)
1920 Martin 1-28
1963 Gibson Hummingbird
1987 Martin Schoenberg Soloist
Froggy Bottom L Deluxe Koa
Rainsong P12
Fender Stratocaster

Banjo: Stelling Golden Cross
Mandolin: Weber Bitterroot
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-24-2016, 04:41 PM
SuperB23 SuperB23 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 3,744
Default

I wish there were some Dealers in the states for Avian. I'm sad that Dream Guitars stopped.
__________________
High End Guitar Review Videos.
www.youtube.com/user/rockinb23

Ryan, Froggy Bottom, Martin, Rainsong, Avian
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-24-2016, 04:51 PM
Bill Yellow Bill Yellow is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: London, UK
Posts: 426
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ErikAnd View Post
On another note, how do you post a Youtube video so that the video itself shows up in the post, rather than just a link?



When typing a post, click on the 'Video' icon above the textbox, and between the markups that appear, enter just the YouTube video ID. (The bit that usually comes after 'v=' in the URL of the video.)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-24-2016, 04:51 PM
justonwo's Avatar
justonwo justonwo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 3,592
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parlorman View Post
I don't think this is an investment so much as it is them wanting you to give them money.
I don't know how you figure that. They are looking for growth capital. As an equity investor, you will be entitled to all of the privileges of a normal shareholder. Depending on how they intend to grow the business and their exit strategy (assuming they have one) this could mean dividends from profits each year or potentially a payday if the company is sold. Pretty standard stuff. I'd be interested to know how much they think they can grow the business, what the exit strategy is supposed to be, and how they intend to grow the business. I like their approach to recording and aggressively representing their builders and vendors.

Edited: I had made some uninformed speculation about the growth strategy for their business. In reality I don't know much and shouldn't speculate. I have a lot of respect for their shop and approach.
__________________
Baranik Meridian (Blue Spruce/Black Coco) | Baranik PX (Blue Spruce/Hog) | Schoenberg/Klepper 000-12c (Adi/Hog) | Brondel A-2c (Carp/Madrose) | Circa OM-30/34 (Adi/Madrose)

Commished: Baranik Super Meridian (20xx) | LeGeyt CLM (2017) | Brondel A-1c (Adi/Pernambuco, 2017) | Circa 000-12 (Euro/Maple, 2017) | Circa OM (Adi/Hog, 2018) | Buendia OM (2019)

Last edited by justonwo; 11-25-2016 at 12:51 PM. Reason: Some content editing
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-24-2016, 05:04 PM
dodge dodge is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Phenix City, Alabama
Posts: 2,162
Default

I wonder why they don't apply to go on "Dragons Den" and try and get some investment.
__________________
1963 Gibson Hummingbird
2011 Gibson J-185 New Vintage
2014 Taylor 512ce 12-fret
Martin DX1

"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-24-2016, 05:17 PM
pandaroo pandaroo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 950
Default

I was not surprised they chose to relaunch Avian. Last July, I went to Guitarlair in Kuala Lumpur housing reputable boutique guitars such as Kronbauer, Webber, Huss & Dalton, Collings, Bedell, Lowden, Avalon, Northwood just to name a few, I walked out with a Collings and an Avian Skylark. The Avians were that good.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-24-2016, 05:18 PM
Long Jon Long Jon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,637
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by justonwo View Post
I DO like TNAG's business as boutique guitars go. I like their approach to recording and aggressively representing their builders and vendors.
Haha! I know you mean that in a positive, business way, but "Aggressive" is about the last word I'd use to describe Ben or Michael.
Only ever seen them on video, They seem like incredibly nice polite young gentlemen.

No affiliation apart from sharing the same town, I dare not imagine how much rent and rates they must pay , that's a pretty up-market location I can tell 'ee !
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-24-2016, 05:21 PM
justonwo's Avatar
justonwo justonwo is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 3,592
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Long Jon View Post
Haha! I know you mean that in a positive, business way, but "Aggressive" is about the last word I'd use to describe Ben or Michael.
They seem like incredibly nice polite young gentlemen.

No affiliation apart from sharing the same town, I dare not imagine how much rent and rates they must pay , that's a pretty up-market location I can tell 'ee !
I meant that in a positive way. They have a pretty broad presence and Michael takes the trouble to really shine a spotlight on everything that comes in the door. They keep their Facebook content fresh. Michael makes a lot of appearances at guitar shows, and he keeps a close relationship with his builders. That's what I mean by "aggressive." I didn't mean like a used car salesman, so I hope it didnt' come across that way. I'm actually very impressed by how they market guitars and think they do a great job.

I've always imagined that they are in a very expensive neighborhood. Now I know!
__________________
Baranik Meridian (Blue Spruce/Black Coco) | Baranik PX (Blue Spruce/Hog) | Schoenberg/Klepper 000-12c (Adi/Hog) | Brondel A-2c (Carp/Madrose) | Circa OM-30/34 (Adi/Madrose)

Commished: Baranik Super Meridian (20xx) | LeGeyt CLM (2017) | Brondel A-1c (Adi/Pernambuco, 2017) | Circa 000-12 (Euro/Maple, 2017) | Circa OM (Adi/Hog, 2018) | Buendia OM (2019)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-24-2016, 05:38 PM
Long Jon Long Jon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London UK
Posts: 7,637
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by justonwo View Post
I meant that in a positive way. They have a pretty broad presence and Michael takes the trouble to really shine a spotlight on everything that comes in the door. They keep their Facebook content fresh. Michael makes a lot of appearances at guitar shows, and he keeps a close relationship with his builders. That's what I mean by "aggressive." I didn't mean like a used car salesman, so I hope it didnt' come across that way. I'm actually very impressed by how they market guitars and think they do a great job.

I've always imagined that they are in a very expensive neighborhood. Now I know!
I live way up north east, on the other side of the tracks and it's incredibly expensive round here ! All London property prices are just off the scale.
I may have to go there some day,(I've never seen a Froggy Bottom).
I think Michael sets the standard for how to dress higher than I'm used to, so probably ditch my zippy leather biker jkt and go as preppie as I can muster....
I am just afraid that a visit there might end up expensive for ME !

EDIT: Mmmmm... maybe if I buy 20 quid's worth of shares I'll get a huge discount on the goodies ?!

Last edited by Long Jon; 11-24-2016 at 05:48 PM. Reason: Added some wishful thinking.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-24-2016, 06:00 PM
ukejon ukejon is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 6,251
Default

Can't really comment on the business plan (I'm an Art Historian!) but I've been to TNAG and also have benefitted from Michael's generous friendship and advice. Top tier guy and the best guitar shop I've ever visited. Certainly wish them all the best.
__________________
My YouTube Page:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ukejon

2009 Pono koa parlor (NAMM prototype)
2014 Pono N30 DC EIR/Spruce crossover
2014 Hatcher Greta 13 fret cutaway in EIR/cedar
2017 Hatcher Josie fan fret mahogany
1973 Sigma GCR7 (OM model) rosewood and spruce
2014 Rainsong OM1000N2

....and about 5 really nice tenor ukuleles at any given moment
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-26-2016, 05:58 AM
steveh steveh is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,263
Default

I've just looked at the TNAG vid just put up on the 'tube.

Very well done but there is no description at all regarding what it is the "investor" gets back. I think that's a serious omission when 99.9% of their audience will not be "business people" but guitarists, likely unfamiliar with thsi sort of thing.

I've used similar schemes twice: Once to fund an Allan Holdsworth album that I was sent a copy of subsequently in return for my upfront investment. The second time a friemd was putting together a copy of a photography book and when done, I got a copy.

I don't have any feel for what the investor gets here? I did go to their Crowdfunding page in order to glean more but it required personal details etc. for access to the full scheme. Yeah. Right. Goodbye. I'll give them details when I'm ready to invest, not just to find out what the scheme is all about.

Perhaps Michael will chip in here?
He needs to.

Cheers,
Steve
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > Other Discussions > Events and New Releases

Thread Tools



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=