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It doesn't really help to see it as three different scales (even though a lot of books insist on describing it like that). In western practice, harmonic and melodic minor are not really "scales", they are "practices" of altering natural minor in specific ways, for "harmonic" or "melodic" purposes. In some folk cultures, harmonic minor (or something very like it) does exist as a scale in is own right. But in the main western traditions (classical, pop, jazz, etc), you don't see music written in harmonic or melodic minor. They're always just temporary alterations within tunes that are otherwise based on natural minor.
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I know you have really advanced knowledge of theory, but, imo, this terminology can confuse beginners (having recently been one) because the Circle is not showing "other major scales." In this context, there is just one major scale, the Ionian, with an interval pattern of TTSTTTS. All the keys on the Circle are using those intervals. And, it can be confusing to talk about "changing" or altering notes (because we usually use that way of speaking about creating new scales - like blues scales or modes, etc). Here, we are not really "changing" notes, we are using one pattern of intervals, but starting on different notes so that new notes fall into the same pattern.
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Not all music bows to "classical" theory. |
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Yes i was looking for a short cut to practising them all ...i was thinking because there are only 7 modes that i could get away with just practising the Keys off the C Major scale .
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You're mixing up scales keys and modes. The first order of business would be to get your terms sraight so you can ask questions with better clarity. |
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I think Ze. is confused. Think of the neck of the guitar you have a number of strings (usually six) all tuned to a note (Typically EADGBE) Each fret raises the note by one half tone or Semitone, so the first fret on each string would then play (F, A# or Bb, D# or Eb, G# or Ab, C, F) And so on through the chromatic scale until you reach the 12th fret where the original notes will sound again, albeit an octave higher. One string played produces 1 note. When you play one or more strings together you play a chord. A scale is just the order in which you play the notes. On a guitar, any major scale can be played using the same "order" or pattern. Root note (starting on the open string), 2nd (two frets up), 3rd (4 frets up), 4th (5 frets up), 5th (7 Frets up), 6th (9 frets), 7th (11 frets), Octave (12 frets up).
Depending upon the root note, in the scale will depend upon whether there are sharps and flats in the scale. Different types of scales (minor, myxolodian, phyrgian etc.) use different patterns. When you talk about the key signature of a song, you are talking about the root note of that scale. The circle of fifths is a simple manner used to determine which chords are appropriate for a particular key. Of course this is fairly simplified, but, learning scales, and chords are two different exercises even though they are inextricably linked and learning one without the other will only lead to confusion.
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Here, let's just end the confusion. Or try to
Here are the major scales: First note is the tonic (So if it starts with C, it's C major) C D E F G A B (no sharps or flats) G A B C D E F# D E F# G A B C# A B C# D E F# G# E F#G#A B C# D# B C#D#E F#G#A# F#G#A#BC#D#E# Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Ab Bb C Db Eb F G Eb F G Ab Bb C D Bb C D E B F G F G A Bb C D E Keep in mind, there are "enharmonics," meaning same pitch but different name, but I've left them out for now for the sake of ease of reading. But bear in mind, there is such a thing as C# major, but C# and Db are the same notes (same with F# and Gb, and so on) But this covers them all, moving in fifths (which is a good way to practice things anyway. What to notice? Each letter of the musical alphabet appears only once in each major scale (it might be sharp or flat, but the letters are always used just once) So it's a good idea to memorize the order of sharps and flats... Don't even worry about modes until you have these down cold. See you in 3 months, 2 if you work hard. |
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But even in jazz improvisation I never found much use for harmonic or melodic minor .... ... OK, some, but not much. I mean, I'm aware of all the "melodic minor mode" concepts, but - aside from melodic minor on a tonic minor, the rest is coincidental associations. The altered and lydian dominant scales, eg, are nothing really to do with melodic minor. The resemblance is no doubt useful for some, but it's musically meaningless. Harmonic minor - maybe sometimes (more than Mark Levine allows anyhow ) but still not much. I realise this may be a minority view. Just my $0.02.
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As I said before, start with the scales for the common guitar keys (copied and pasted from Jeff's post): C D E F G A B G A B C D E F# D E F# G A B C# A B C# D E F# G# E F# G# A B C# D# You may find the CAGED system of chord shapes helps (5 overlapping shapes for every major chord). In fact, my personal recommendation is to learn chord shapes thoroughly before even tackling scales. Chords help scales make sense.
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Learn the names of the notes and where they are on the fretboard of your guitar. ( at least do this for three keys that allow you to play a song. C, F, & G or G, C & D) Learn the names of the notes that go in each scale. (see previous posts with this info ) Practice finding and playing the notes in each scale, at every place on the neck where it is possible to do so. (you'll discover a few repeating patterns that get used over and over) best of luck! keep us posted on your progress - we're a great bunch of enablers here!
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│ │ │ │ │ │ ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤ │ 3 6 2 │ 7 ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤ R 4 │ │ 5 R ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤ │ │ 7 3 │ │ ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤ 2 5 R 4 6 │ ├─┼─┼─┼─┼─┤ │ │ │ │ │ │ Here is a pattern of notes that is a major scale. It is in the key of wherever the 6th string root is. If the root is on the 6th string fifth fret, the key is A major. At the third fret it is the key of G. At the fourth fret you can call it either A flat or G#. When playing scales it can be either. There are other ways of playing a major scale with the root on the 6th string, but the same rules apply. You'll notice that the root is also on the fourth and first string. There are different patterns that have the root on the 5th, 3rd and 2nd strings but again you just change the position of the pattern for different keys. Knowing the names of notes on the fretboard helps. |
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With ascending major scales start the root note with the second (middle) finger. For minor scales start the root note with the first (index) finger.
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As others have said just learn the major scale for now. All other scales can be considered modifications of a major scale.
Also learn to play songs. Listen to melodies. Music is not made up of scales. Melodies, harmonies and rhythm make up music. Unless you only ever play in the key of C you will at some point be playing in keys with sharps or flats. D, A, G, E are popular keys on the guitar.
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The diatonic scales of different keys are really quite a simple thing. You can hear them clearly in your head. Key to key
the major scale intervals stay the same, ditto for the minor keys. Memorize a few patterns, and get up some reasonable technical speed playing them. You're done. Use your ears, alter scales with accidentals (melody line, possible tension and release episodes) and your're done again at a higher level.
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