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"Warning Although your RainSong guitar is considerably more stable and stronger than conventional wooden instruments, it does need to be cared for. Exposing the instrument to high temperature or to strong physical shocks will damage it. In the case of Projection Series instruments, sudden and extreme changes in temperature or humidity can damage the guitar." In the airplane world, carbon fiber is used extensively. It is always painted (usually white except for military planes which are often painted gray, but are still painted with an opaque coating). This helps prevent heat buildup which can soften the resins, and limits UV damage too. I don't know if there are fatigue life / number of cycle limitations on CF airframes or parts, having never owned a composite airplane. |
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If I remember correctly from my past guitar work, traditional guitar glues will heat apart at around 150 degrees. Contemporary resins will heat apart at somewhere around 350 degrees. By heating apart I mean, for example, removing a fret board with a hot iron. Not sure if this furthers the conversation, just saying............
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That really is a shame. I have a Pre-Peavey OX and it is a wonderful guitar. I believe the ex owner of the company felt it was the most versatile of all the Cat's. If you can find one in good shape which should be most I can't praise them enough. Almost 900 seems interesting though. I think mine was 1200 new , course bought it a few years ago when the prices were amazing.
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FYI, the Composite Acoustics OX in your link is an early RAW model from 2009, right before the company closed. Probably one of the first OX models built. You can tell by the waxed back, and polished, non finished top. From the pictures it looks fine, as a bit of distortion was common on those early guitars. (You can also see this on early Cargos BTW) This should not affect playability, or structural integrity. Note that I am not saying the guitar linked isn't damaged, without seeing it in person, or some detailed photos at least it's impossible to tell, but I doubt the buyer for Guitar Center would have bought it if it had issues. As far as I can see, all we have here is a top with normal distortion, and perhaps higher than desirable action. BTW, the Composite Acoustics QC issues mentioned on these forums from time to time stem from early guitars, mostly dreadnoughts with less than ideal neck angles. Keep in mind that those early guitars were built using very different build techniques than what are used today. They actually had Ebony fretboards back then which could shrink and crack in dry weather. I wanted to chime in because one member has already commented in another thread about a CF guitar with a warped top based on this thread as if it was fact, and I just hate to see rumors like that get started. I bought and sold thousands of CF guitars over the last decade or so, and I am aware of only two that develop a flaw, and both were very early pre-production models. I've put my CF guitars through things most of you never will, and I can confirm that they are more bullet proof than any acoustic needs to be. |
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When I ordered my early OXE from MacNichol ... back when I was just a kid of course.. I had to wait for the second one as he said the original one that was for me had some issues... I never beat it out of him what they were... (If I was a suspecter I might have suspected it had cat gut or even scarier... nylon strings on it by mistake... know what I'm sayin' Unc Evy?)
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No, Mr. K;
Didn't happen. I tried to get a nylon Ox, but no such luck. |
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Interestingly the guitar in the link above is no longer for sale, so it'll be difficult to corroborate. I've seen a lot of guitars though.
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No problem, Mike, and yes, looks like that OX sold. And you should definitely keep looking, CF guitars make a wonderful addition to any stable, large or small. Most folks buy their first one out of necessity, it's what I did, but then you get used to the durability and you become spoiled. I honestly can't recall the last time one of my wood guitars left the house. |
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To be fair, Ted may have more experience than the manufacturers - they are experts on their products, but Ted gets to play most of the CF manufacturers' stuff he sells. OK, Kramster may be a close second.
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Jim, I almost wrote, "........and even some of the manufacturers........" in my post. And I forgot about K-man -- I was thinking of pro's like Ted, and should have included the talented civilians like Kramster too, who also could literally write the book on CF.
Unrelated sidebar: my boss* retires on JAN 12th and sometime in February we will be heading to Sun City, AZ to visit family. I hoep to arrange a min carbon fest at that time, since many carbonistas are in the Phoenix area. *I am certainly the Captain of the ship. But first let me clear this decision with the Admiral over there.... |
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A distant close second...or something like that.
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