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I don't think it is really about blame, let alone "all the blame". It is an issue of who will accept financial responsibility for a work related illness that was not recognized until many years later. There are only three options: the NFL pays for care, the government pays for care, or the individuals pay for care. It is a longstanding precedent for employers (and their insurers) to pay for work related illnesses, whether they stem from accidents, accumulated wear and tear (from repetitive stress injuries like carpal tunnel syndrome, or a variety of mental health conditions that are linked to identifiable work stress), or exposure to work elements (chemicals, asbestos, coal dust) that were thought to be minimally damaging or benign, but were later discovered to be more damaging than thought. These have been the standards for many decades, and is unlikely to change any time soon. |
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I think that was the point of Bob's comparison. Even something as relatively benign (at least compared to professional football) as playing the guitar has potential physical risk. The question remains what degree of risk vs intervention (government or governing body) is tolerable and doable. It's an interesting paradox that as cars, football gear and other aspects of life have become more safety conscious, our society in general seems more intent in disavowing personal responsibility and finding someone else to blame and sue....
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I guess maybe the comparison serves to illuminate how serious brain injury is compared to all the other relatively minor unforeseeable consequences we face. That said, when I was young and playing we didn't have a clue about all this. Now we do. The more data we get the more reaction from society changes. That's a good thing. This will further illuminate things. Regarding my earlier comments on duration of play likely being a major factor in severity of complications, turns out that might have been wildly off-base. Seems there is plenty of info out there that relatively short times playing football (less than 5 years) have impact. One article of many I found. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/s...l?mcubz=0&_r=0 I stand wholly corrected, it would seem. |
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You'd probably have to ask a professional boxer or MMA fighter to get an accurate answer. It's interesting that the connection between playing football and CTE seems to be a revelation, but the connection between boxing and brain damage has been a foregone conclusion for decades and even has its own name (dementia pugilistica)...
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Did you play? The game is tremendous. It teaches teamwork in a way no other sport I've played does. You have to trust the person next to you, you have to sacrifice yourself (pain, extreme effort) for your teammates, you're deeply challenged in direct physical confrontation with other men/boys, and it breeds physical toughness. It requires speed, strength, and force of will in amounts not paralleled in other games, even Rugby and Aussie Rules. "Football Shape" is the best shape you'll be in your life. It teaches courage and humility like no other game I've played. It's extremely mentally challenging with 100 page playbook and 5 options off each play. You have to change plans in real-time in a way no other game requires. It's fun.
It breaks my heart that it's so destructive in ways we didn't know before. It's a great game. |
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I could have it. Might explain a lot. |
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The reason they are being detected is because the people themselves or their families have donated their bodies to be examined in greater detail in order to increase awareness and bring about change.
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The guitar playing vs football is ludicrous. What employer paid you to play guitar? Led you to believe it was benign and covered up the risks? In short, no one! Therefore it is not a valid comparison but a red herring. This is not even apples vs oranges. Apples vs bricks would be more like it.
Others have distracted the topic with ad hominem attacks or the specter of government control. None of which are relevant to the question at hand. CTE whether from boxing, football, hockey or any other contact sport is deadly. What is the NFL going to do about it? I quit watching the game several years ago for that reason.
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As far as football. there are lots of risky sports. But that doesn't turn a person into a lifelong thug like Aaron Hernandez. It's a legal shakedown just looking for some money. I hate it when lawyers do that. To my mind, that's just sleazy. |
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I maintain that CTE is not primarily an NFL problem. What keeps the sport alive is the bizarre popularity of college football. Over 23,000 full scholarships are given out every year to college football players (http://www.active.com/football/artic...l-scholarships). As long as those scholarships exist, the sport will continue to exist.
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I agree. While the NFL's role in bringing concussions to the forefront has been controversial, I find it hard to believe that the NCAA or the NHL haven't been implicated as well. There is merit in the belief that perhaps CTE begins before a person enters the professional level of athletics. I'd be curious to hear if there are cases of CTE-like symptoms from people of different sectors of society - beyond the criminal portion of society, that is.
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