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It is astonishing how persuasive that industry has become in an effort to protect its profits at society’s expense. Why anyone would choose to believe the disinformation from petroleum and gas companies over the research that science yields is beyond me. People trust science with their lives every single day except when the fossil fuel industry tells them to disbelieve facts that could threaten company profits. Last edited by Herb Hunter; 09-19-2014 at 12:53 PM. Reason: Fixed awkward sentence |
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I partially het with firewood (I love a woodburning fireplace and I use it to supplement my furnace heat).
I go through 3+ face cords per year. I just ordered my wood and all the wood suppliers are out of wood. Bad winter last year, wet spring, bad winter prediction for this year made the supply/demand see-saw really tilt. And we have an infestation of Ash Borer Beetles so you can't move firewood more than 50 miles. Fortunately prices haven't skyrocketed yet.
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Again from media matters http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11...machine/191545 Anthony Watts "wattsupwiththat .com" Anthony Watts, a former television weatherman and climate skeptic who believes the U.S. temperature record is "unreliable," runs the blog Watts Up With That. The blog features the fringe views of climate misinformers like Christopher Monckton and Fred Singer as guest authors and conservative media have previously seized on its misleading content. In 2009, Watts was a driving force behind the controversy over leaked "Climategate" emails. In September 2012, he was at the center of a controversial PBS segment that aired his views as a "counterbalance" to climate experts without mentioning his ties to the industry-funded Heartland Institute. Watts was paid by the Heartland Institute for his work on temperature stations and is a regular speaker at Heartland conferences.
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How does any of that explain NOAA's altered climate data?
If you're going to question Watts, don't forget to investigate Obama's science advisor, John Holdren, who has a hand in developing climate policies: "Mr. Holdren’s zeal, and his tendency to present somewhat alarming visions of the future, have stirred controversy. During his Senate confirmation hearings in 2009, critics pointed out a textbook of which he was an author in the 1970s that examined the threat of overpopulation and discussed potential ways to avoid it, including forcing pregnant single women to undergo abortions and adding chemicals to drinking water to make people infertile." http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/04/us...cies.html?_r=0 http://www.pop.org/content/president...-czar--dr-1958
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All I know is...September is almost over! (Shudder)
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Thanks guys for your replies. I agree it's about the cost if we're wrong, or cost if we're, or whatever. What everyone is concerned about, is their own $$$$. Yet, these conversations are about throwing blame about on the subject of "climate change."
I wonder if folks would rather argue about the validity of the science (either way, both sides do it), than just admit that they are concerned about the money aspect? No one looks good when we try to argue about money. The carbon credit was listed above. What are some good alternatives? (Frankly, I don't know much about it but it seems like a stupid way to go about things.) As far as the cold winter, I have a wood pellet stove, an oil furnace, and an electric heat pump, all ready to try to keep me warm.
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That reminds me - I need to get my truck oil sprayed before the snow gets here...lol
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It wasn't altered, that's a claim only found on Watts blog the data set used apparently differs from what Watt used. Different ? yes ...... "altered' ? ..... specious.
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I'm in Minnesota. It's pretty much guaranteed that winter will suck. Beyond a certain point, the degree of suckiness is somewhat moot.
However, this year I have noted that, as fall progresses, the birds are draining the feeders at quite an alarming rate. Either that, or the darn squirrels have found a way around my barricades again.
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you'll find out!
i'm worried about the 100 plus temperature we've been having combined with our coming late sept. santa ana winds! fireseason! play music!
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Many countries are using wind power. Canada is suffering as the US is from a hard swing to the right, where no middle ground is permitted (I am quoting Colin Powell here). Of course, what antagonizes them the most is the notion that anything could get in the way of shipping oil to China. They really hate that idea. Our Prime Minister is pure and simple, an oil company shill. So expect right wing rags to complain about anything but fracking. Wind power is viable, its just that here in the Canada/US land mass, we are backward, kind of hoping for a revival of 1952.
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I've been using 50 feet of black hose to heat the water I use for my outside shower. At least I am doing my part to end global warming.
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