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Old 02-21-2018, 01:29 PM
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Anybody have any experience with one of these?
I play two guitars sometimes at gigs and my D18 has a passive JJB.
Looking to simplify switching back and forth from guitar to guitar in a live performance scenario.
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Old 02-21-2018, 01:56 PM
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I have a Red Eye Twin and it works very well for our purposes: We plug my wife's Taylor into the "A" channel and we plug my Parker Nylon Fly into the "B" channel, and plug the output into channel 2 of our 2008 Fishman SoloAmp. It works great every time! YMMV.
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Looking to simplify switching back and forth from guitar to guitar in a live performance scenario.
What is it that's proving difficult?
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What is it that's proving difficult?
Having to plug and unplug guitars back and forth and messing with the EQ.
Remember one guitar has a passive system.
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I run a D-18 into one channel and an Irish bouzouki into the other channel. The D-18 needs a little treble so I turn it up on the Red Eye. The bouzouki needs more gain and eq so I run a Source Audio digital Eq in the effects loop for the bouzouki. The Source Audio stores 4 settings, including gain boost so I set it for higher gain with eq and then easily switch onstage. The Red Eye has gain settings for each as well but the zouk needed more. Once I set this up it made instrument changes really easy.
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Having to plug and unplug guitars back and forth and messing with the EQ.
Remember one guitar has a passive system.
If you're running say a multi channel mixer as part of your PA you could easily just plug each guitar into a separate channel. Maybe you know someone locally with some PA knowledge who could help you with this
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Having to plug and unplug guitars back and forth and messing with the EQ.
Remember one guitar has a passive system.
I'm assuming from this that the other guitar has an active system? You didn't say that in your original post.

I'm guessing that the problem you're having is because of the virtually non-existent EQ facilities on the Redeye? I'd recommend the Source Audio Programmable EQ, mentioned above by Twinandtwang - four individually programmable channels each with volume and seven-band EQ.

I use two guitars and a mandolin, each instrument has different EQ and volume responses/requirements, and I have three channels set up for those, the fourth channel I leave with the EQ flat 'just in case'. Hit the button to scroll through the channels or switch the unit on and off. One cable in serves all four channels.

https://www.sourceaudio.net/programmable-eq.html

Here it is on my board...instrument>TC PolyTune Mini tuner>Source-Audio Programmable EQ>Boss Chorus>Orchid Muting DI/Pre-amp>XLR/out to PA.

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If you're running say a multi channel mixer as part of your PA you could easily just plug each guitar into a separate channel. Maybe you know someone locally with some PA knowledge who could help you with this
Thanks for the offer but allow me to clarify. I need EQ and a gain boost for a passive pickup for one guitar into an amp. Then I need immediate access to another guitar with an active pickup that doesn't require as much gain.
The problem is when I switch guitars, I have to unplug one, plug in the other and make gain and EQ adjustments. It's very time consuming when performing live.
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Thanks for the offer but allow me to clarify. I need EQ and a gain boost for a passive pickup for one guitar into an amp. Then I need immediate access to another guitar with an active pickup that doesn't require as much gain.
The problem is when I switch guitars, I have to unplug one, plug in the other and make gain and EQ adjustments. It's very time consuming when performing live.
Which is why I recommended the Source-Audio Programmable EQ. One cable in, set your required base-volume and EQ for each guitar in two channels, and it's a click of the foot switch to go from one to the other. The output from the S-APEQ would then go to one channel on the Redeye, and the boost on the Redeye works for both guitars.

OK, you have to unplug and re-plug at the guitar end when you switch, but that's all. No EQ or volume adjustments, just switch channels on the S-APEQ. That's no big deal.
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Thanks for the offer but allow me to clarify. I need EQ and a gain boost for a passive pickup for one guitar into an amp. Then I need immediate access to another guitar with an active pickup that doesn't require as much gain.
The problem is when I switch guitars, I have to unplug one, plug in the other and make gain and EQ adjustments. It's very time consuming when performing live.
You're right of course. I'd recommend buying whatever gear you need to accomplish this.
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A RedEye Twin will do this for you well as long as you don't need more EQ than the treble control on the unit gives you. If you do, consider putting an EQ unit like the one JayBee1404 recommends in the effects loop. This will allow you to switch guitars and EQ presets with two foot-taps (one on the RedEye, one on the EQ).

For this same purpose, I use a Radial PZ-Pre. The drawback there is that while it has great EQ, it applies to both channels. I get around it by setting things on the PZ for my passive pickup guitar, and then I adjust the onboard EQ of my active system guitar to compensate. That allows me 1 tap switching between the two guitars on stage, and the unit has a bunch of other useful features (including a boost).

The ideal solution for this sort of thing is the Grace Felix, which has separate EQ sections for each of its two channels. It also has a host of other useful features. It's just expensive.

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I just looked at a pic of the red eye twin..
Does it only have one output and is this Xlr?
or does it hav two? if it only has 1 output .. this
is your issue right? you might want to consider
something like the felix? if you have the green.
would an a/ b switch help then one cord from guitar
to ab then two short cords from ab to twin.?
the twin has two channels right. why the need
to tweak eq when you change inst?

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I just looked at a pic of the red eye twin..
Does it only have one output and is this Xlr?
or does it hav two? if it only has 1 output .. this
is your issue right? you might want to consider
something like the felix? if you have the green.
would an a/ b switch help then one cord from guitar
to ab then two short cords from ab to twin.?
the twin has two channels right. why the need
to tweak eq when you change inst?
It has one XLR out or you can use the effects send 1/4 inch to send out too. With the input channels, you can have one on, or the other, or both at the same time.
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It has one XLR out or you can use the effects send 1/4 inch to send out too. With the input channels, you can have one on, or the other, or both at the same time.
so if this is the case then i think a simple a/b switch
would be the answer to the OP question.
one cord two guitars two patch cords from the
a/b to the red eye. ? saves tangling up two inst cables.
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Having to plug and unplug guitars back and forth and messing with the EQ.
Remember one guitar has a passive system.
Doesnt this have seperate eq/gain for each channel?
if so why do you have to mess with it.?
If not you should really look into something different.
A two channel preamp like the felix might be better
suited to your needs. it's not cheap though.
again if you can't utilize the 1/4 inch send
then your limited to one out to the board and may
have to compromise the eq on the board to suit
both instruments. Seems like this red eye twin is a bit limited
for a two channel preamp. ??

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