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For those who use coated strings . . . collecting your thoughts?
When considering coated strings, such as Elixirs (or whatever other coated brand you usually use):
Are all the strings of your brand coated -- or just the 4 wound strings? Does it matter to you if the plain steel non-wound strings are coated or not? Is there a general rule among string companies? Do most companies coat only the wound strings? As far as I can tell, Elixirs (I am currently using Elixir Nanoweb PB .011-.052) seem to coat only the wound strings . . . I think? Thanks for your thoughts on the topic.
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I try to get ones where all 6 are coated. Otherwise, they rust so quickly. I think that Elixirs (some of them at least) coat all 6. I also think that ClearTone does as well. Most workers at guitar shops will know.
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Elixir plain strings are galvanized to prevent oxidation, but are not coated.
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Martin also has some kind of treatment on their Lifespan B and E unwound strings.
They are my choice for coated/treated strings.
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I use Elixir Nanowebs and it doesn't matter to me that the plain strings aren't coated, as - for me - the lower strings lose their tone quicker in general.
I sweat a lot when playing and I have to make sure I don't leave too much oil and sweat on the strings. Years ago when touring I would change strings a minimum of every three days, even that was pushing it. Elixir came on the scene when I was out of the music biz for awhile, but I love the concept. They sound 85-90% as good as a nice phosphor bronze set but last 10 times as long. That said, I do not record with Elixirs. I tried Cleartones twice and HATED them - bad batches? I know a lot of people like them...
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I notice that after awhile the coating of the wound strings starts to flake or peel away. There are tiny little filaments hanging off -- especially where I pick and strum the strings.
I do not see this process happening on the plain/unwound strings. The flaking of the string coating doesn't really bother me. It is just an observation. I do not notice a degradation in sound quality -- perhaps because it is a more gradual process? I wonder what effect this peeling-away process has on sound? Does anyone have a strong opinion?
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I had Elixir on my Gallagher when I bought it. I liked them but felt that they imparted a sort of "plastic" character to the sound. I switched to Martin Retro and like them so far. They seem to nudge the overall tone toward a mellower sound. On my other guitars, I like EXPs better than Elixirs.
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Coated string get dirty and look awful after a couple weeks so I don't really see the point in using them. Unless it's on guitars you rarely play.
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I think all of the 'coated' makers treat the plain strings for longevity/anti rust and coat the wound. Tried most of them over the last couple of years just ta see. Mostly 80/20 blend Custom Lights 11-52.
Cleartones, wasn't a fan, didn't like the feel or the longevity. The Martin Lifespans, similar but not quite the same, felt stiff like a gauge or two heavier. Monels as an outrider where nice but didn't last well and added squeakiness through the PA. Have not tried the Dad retros ones whatever they're called. Nickel bronze or something. ESP decent but not as long lived as might be expected, slightly more original non coated 80/20 sound. Finally pretty much settled on the Elixir Nano once I got over that slightly odd initial slippery feel. Good life, usually 3 weeks to a month or so gigging twice a week. Clean sound a little softer than trad 80/20's. They're exxie down here so I buy several packs of those triple specials when they're on. My thoughts which may of course differ from others. Kris
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I've been buying Elixer Nanoweb Phosphor Bronze for awhile now. (4 months?) I'm in Canada, but they do seem to be readily available. Recently read where the plains' treatment may have changed.
I use 11's, and 12's, on my OM's (mahogany & rosewoods) and while I'm not really totally happy, they're close enough. I keep buying them anyways. I don't think I'll ever not want a 'better' string. I don't have particularly acidic sweat issues. I finger pick, and both ends are noticeably fuzzy after about 20 hours. After 40 hours they appear bare where played heavily. I gather, from various reviews, the wounds are coated, and plain are plated to discourage rust. I find the fuzziness mildly distracting/annoying -- but I do keep buying. Always considering experimenting with the next set. Edit: I've never even seen Poly's at the local 'chain' here. Just an empty rack slot -- for years. Keep meaning to order a set, or two, from online suppliers.
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Really? Not in my 20 year's experience of using nothing but Elixir. They remain bright and clean until the day I retire them. Then again I don't buy strings for how they look...
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So you're saying a coated string get's dirty faster than a non-coated string..
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My Tacoma DR-20 is very loud and sometimes a bit harsh. Sometimes I string it with Elixirs because they seem to give it a smoother tone.
The other day, the guy who runs the local guitar store told me that D'Addario manufacturers the coated strings for Elixir, but Elixir holds the patent. He said D'Addario's own brand of coated strings apply the coating to the individual wire before it is wrapped around the core of the string. And only Elixir has the patent to dip the entire, already wound string into a coating. This gives the Elixirs a leg up on D'Addario, because they do a better job at keeping gunk from building up in the grooves between the windings of the wound strings. I don't know if this is true. But it sounds good. |
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I have never had strings "rust" bt the do discolour and (I think) the Elixirs discolour a little less.
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