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Old 01-22-2018, 09:39 PM
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Interesting - never knew you could do that. I'm assuming there are some kind of controls that allow you to change tracks, etc?

So I'm guessing the files still need to come from Itunes or some other program that compresses the files?

I'm gathering from the responses that there isn't anything on the market like I'm talking about.
Yeah... the center console on the Accord or the steering wheel. They can be in a variety of formats so you don't need Itunes.

I don't think anything exists as to what you are describing. I would just an external hard drive anyhow to rip all your music to for storage. They're cheap now.

Interestingly enough, one of the reasons I upgraded my Accord was because I wanted Bluetooth and to use the USB input for MP3 files. You can put 1000's of songs on stick which is awesome. Yeah, they're MP3's, but most car stereo systems are not good enough to discern from CD's. I have a DAC/Tube combo at home and I listen to FLAC files if I really want to listen.
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Funny I removed the CD player off my civic and installed a digital music receiver with Bluetooth. My other car is a 2010 Lexus and that one has a 6 disc CD charger. I think there’s like 2 CD’s in there for the past 4 years or so.

Why would anyone would like to carry CD’s in their car this day and age baffles me.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:23 AM
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Why would anyone would like to carry CD’s in their car this day and age baffles me.
Lots of reasons - as noted, I have way more selections than I have time to do all this uploading to devices.

Another is - I go to the library often and check out CD's (our local has about 10,000 titles or more, and lots of new releases) So now I have to go home and mess with them to be able to listen to them in my car?? That's why I went there - to have new tunes in the car for a few days.

When I go on a road trip, I typically take two cases that hold 100 CDR's each.

I'm also VERY, VERY picky about quality - and in the same realm as your original question - how someone can listen to MP3's and be happy baffles me.
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Old 01-23-2018, 06:42 AM
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Lots of reasons - as noted, I have way more selections than I have time to do all this uploading to devices.
Do you know how long it takes to convert a CD to MP3s?

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Another is - I go to the library often and check out CD's (our local has about 10,000 titles or more, and lots of new releases) So now I have to go home and mess with them to be able to listen to them in my car?? That's why I went there - to have new tunes in the car for a few days.
Yes, you need to 'mess with them'. Because, in your own words your 'next Honda WILL NOT have a CD player'.

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When I go on a road trip, I typically take two cases that hold 100 CDR's each.
CDRs? The time taken to duplicate CDs onto CDRs is much, much more than the time it takes to convert to MP3s and copy them onto a memory stick.

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I'm also VERY, VERY picky about quality - and in the same realm as your original question - how someone can listen to MP3's and be happy baffles me.
Unless your car floats on a cushion of air while being propelled by a silent engine, MP3s are IMO perfectly fine for listening in-car. Any quality loss compared to a CD is irrelevant, compared to the competition from road, engine and wind noise.

In any case, you can convert a CD to different audio formats, e.g. OGG or AAC, as well as MP3. The car could probably even play uncompressed WAV files that are precisely the same data as found on the original CD. Even in MP3 terms, there are different compression levels where you trade quality for size so you get to decide where your personal quality threshold is.
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I understand what I will need to do when the time comes. Here are some of my issues that possibly have been solved since I last looked. First I like hard copies because they can't be deleted or accidentally disappear. There will be a time I will never be able to acquire some of this material. That has already happened when LP died.
I want files so that I can pick 60s folk rock or Norman Blake tunes or whatever. I even want to be able to find a tune that I want to listen to. Not wait until someday it comes around in rotation. And then there's the rotation thing where you never ever hear some tunes that you put in for some reason. Maybe I could do a thumb drive for each file.
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Old 01-23-2018, 07:18 AM
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I understand what I will need to do when the time comes. Here are some of my issues that possibly have been solved since I last looked. First I like hard copies because they can't be deleted or accidentally disappear. There will be a time I will never be able to acquire some of this material. That has already happened when LP died.
I want files so that I can pick 60s folk rock or Norman Blake tunes or whatever. I even want to be able to find a tune that I want to listen to. Not wait until someday it comes around in rotation. And then there's the rotation thing where you never ever hear some tunes that you put in for some reason. Maybe I could do a thumb drive for each file.
A hard copy of a CD is just a copy of the data that is on it. You can extract the audio data from a CD as a WAV file (either one large one, or one file per track) and store it on a hard disk for safekeeping. CDs are not necessarily the best option for long term storage; they can be affected chemically by the paper insert. This is just a question of archiving data, and is separate from whether or not it is a good idea to encode the music to MP3.

When converting to MP3s (or whatever) the software used will typically be able to use the ISRC code on the CD to look up a database via (for example) freedb.org. This will retrieve the track information, such as artist, title, album, date, mustic style, etc.. That information is encoded into the MP3 as tags. You can, therefore, search for all songs of a given style, or by a specific artist, or whatever.

Since one song = one file, a thumb drive per file would be a bad idea. And unnecessary, when the MP3 library is properly tagged.
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Coincidentally, I just got an '18 Subaru Outback - with no CD player (have to upgrade $1000 for the system that includes one).
So I've been converting all my CDs to 320k MP3 files, and transferring them onto a 64G thumbdrive. Just finished all my label-issue CDs last night, which convert easily (no more than 2 minutes for a long - 80 min CD) and the files automatically have artist/album/song name info.
Each artist/band is in its own folder, so I can browse alphabetically by artist or album name or song (but I don't think the Subaru interface allows browsing while driving (RATZ! haven't got that far yet)
Next up - the 200 or so 'bootleg' live CD shows I have. Unfortunately, these don't have the 'metadata' so all the files come over as 'unknown artist/unknown song title', so I have to manually go in and rename the files (I'm using Foobar to add the metadata).

BTW, curious why you have your original CDs in 'plastic bags'? I can understand wanting to preserve the inserts of the original releases (never been an issue for me), but you aren't really preserving the original CDs by not playing them.
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Do you know how long it takes to convert a CD to MP3s?



Yes, you need to 'mess with them'. Because, in your own words your 'next Honda WILL NOT have a CD player'.



CDRs? The time taken to duplicate CDs onto CDRs is much, much more than the time it takes to convert to MP3s and copy them onto a memory stick.



Unless your car floats on a cushion of air while being propelled by a silent engine, MP3s are IMO perfectly fine for listening in-car. Any quality loss compared to a CD is irrelevant, compared to the competition from road, engine and wind noise.

In any case, you can convert a CD to different audio formats, e.g. OGG or AAC, as well as MP3. The car could probably even play uncompressed WAV files that are precisely the same data as found on the original CD. Even in MP3 terms, there are different compression levels where you trade quality for size so you get to decide where your personal quality threshold is.
Don't even know where to start with all of that - first of all, regarding how long it takes to duplicate CD's to CDR's I know very well BECAUSE IT HAS ALL BEEN DONE ALREADY and now rendered useless - which is the reason for my post, in case you hadn't caught that part.

My car listening environment is VERY quiet and I can hear huge differences not only in quality, but one of the things that bothers me the most about using a digital player of some kind is the difference in volume from one cut to the next.....continually reaching down to change the volume isn't high on my list.

And yes, I know how long it takes to convert a CD to Mp3 - I've done it many times to load my Ipod which is a 1G and has about 20 cds on it. Doing that 50 more times to load up another source with all the music that I ALREADY HAVE seems a little redundant, no?

What few are understanding here is that it's the CONVERSION itself that is my complaint. So far my original question hasn't been answered, but a lot of "information" has been offered.
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BTW, curious why you have your original CDs in 'plastic bags'? I can understand wanting to preserve the inserts of the original releases (never been an issue for me), but you aren't really preserving the original CDs by not playing them.
To protect the jewel cases from scratching when I slide the CD's in an out of their storage rack. Just like I had all my vinyl in plastic outer bags to protect the jackets from wear.
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What few are understanding here is that it's the CONVERSION itself that is my complaint. So far my original question hasn't been answered, but a lot of "information" has been offered.
Disregarding all the various insults in your reply, here's one that I found after 30 seconds on Google.

http://www.ezpnp.com/en/2-1628-61466...-id168419.html

But, really, what's the point? Since MP3s are so intolerable for you, just get a CD player for your car.
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Disregarding all the various insults in your reply, here's one that I found after 30 seconds on Google.

http://www.ezpnp.com/en/2-1628-61466...-id168419.html

But, really, what's the point? Since MP3s are so intolerable for you, just get a CD player for your car.
If you take my replies to your post as insults, might want to read your response a little closer too......it was full of things making it look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

There is NO DASH SPACE on the new cars for a CD player (already covered here) which is the reason they are no longer included.

I'll check out the item you found - that was what I was asking in the OP - all of this other mish-mash could have been avoided.
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In my '99 escort, I had a cd player that transmitted to a FM station that the car stereo would play. Maybe you could do something like that? I honestly don't know how much degradation you would get. I was listening in a '99 escort, after all.
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Not sure when Honda dropped CD players from its audio players (or what model you're looking at), but my 2016 CRV has a CD player. Had you considered getting a late model used Honda with a factory CD player rather than a new model, Todd???
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Not sure when Honda dropped CD players from its audio players (or what model you're looking at), but my 2016 CRV has a CD player. Had you considered getting a late model used Honda with a factory CD player rather than a new model, Todd???
I have a 2016 Accord with a CD player - going to be "upgrading" in the summer. New ones don't have CD players
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There is NO DASH SPACE on the new cars for a CD player (already covered here) which is the reason they are no longer included.
I know, you have said this multiple times. But why do you assume a CD player must have dash space?

I assume the car supports Bluetooth audio, in which case this can go anywhere:
https://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/air-cd

If not, I imagine it has a socket for an audio jack in which case any cheap portable CD player can be hooked up and positioned somewhere that is accessible but not obtrusive.
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