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Tell us more about the music and the instrumentation and describe the size of the room and the sort of listening levels you're looking to project in this context. That and a budget will get you some more workable recommendations about what you'll need to get a balanced mix and project it properly in this situation. Louis |
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Sure Louis. Thanks.
Budget: $1000 Instruments: Guitar, Keyboard, Harmonium, Indial classical vocals, Tabla (percussion - consider similar to bongos for the purpose of this discussion) Type of music: Indian classical, A little bit of Pop/Fusion Size of the room: 30ft X 20ft Listening Levels: Not too loud - not really sure how to describe this
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Raj, how many channels do you need in total? I would suggest you take a gander at Carvin Audio. They are an independent US based (California) pro audio manufacturer and they offer several different packaged PA systems. My suspicion is that you need a minimum of 8 channels (assuming singers too). This is not junk like some of the big box stores are selling. This is legitimate pro audio gear direct from the manufacturer. It may look a little dated in design, but they are full featured and built for the road. Consider the following, and add $120 to the prices for a pair of proper speaker stands. You'll need to add another $30 for each mic stand that you need. I believe you'll be very close to your budget with the first option if you don't need more than 2 mic stands. https://carvinaudio.com/collections/...nnel-pa-system https://carvinaudio.com/collections/...lete-pa-system https://carvinaudio.com/collections/...lete-pa-system
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The Carvin systems by Dave are nice, but I prefer non-powered mixers and powered speakers - only because they allow easy expansion: adding more/big speakers for larger venues, or monitors. Mixer - as many channels/mic preamps as you need now PLUS a couple of extra for future expansion. There are many choices of gear, here's a sample system: One example" This Mackie: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1202VLZ4 $270 Powered speakers: Peavy's https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DM112 $300 X 2 (maybe you can get away with 1 to start with) Mics - 1 SM58 (Vocal) 1 SM57 (instrument) $99 X 2 Speaker stands, mic stands and cables will complete the system. You can often find many system components used for a much better deal.
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I'm guessing that you won't need monitors in this situation nor will the levels be so loud that feedback will be much of an issue, although you'll need to be careful about mic placement. This would be a system that could be easily expanded as your needs grow. You'd just have to buy more powered speakers. And the investment in a used analog mixer--they are dirt cheap right now--will be small enough that buying a bigger, more capable mixer--maybe a digital one--in the future won't be out of the question. I'm thinking maybe something like a Yamaha DBR10 and a used analog mixer (A&H, Yamaha, Mackie, Soundcraft) with the right number of channels. That should leave you some cash for the speaker stand, mic stands, and maybe some decent used mics (Shure SM58's or Blue Encore 100's for the vocalists and some SM57's for the harmonium and the tablas). Plus cabling. Tight, but doable and, as I said, expandable in the future. Louis |
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Thanks everyone for all the advice. I will let you guys know what I decide.
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BTW if your music is anything like some of performances coming out of the Coke Studio India MTV series I absolutely love that blend of classic and contemporary pop/fusion etc. And with the instruments the possibilities are expansive .....this is really a cool cover of Big Hard Sun
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The only weak link in your original posted Sound system, Raj, is the microphones. You can purchase a 3 pack of DRI100 instrument/vocal microphones for $59 bucks that have amazing frequency response for the price. The only caveat of the DRI100 microphones is handling noise. This is a non issue if the microphones are stand mounted and the stands are placed on carpet. Ric
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For a crowd that size and the fact it's a "listening room" style show being a house concert, you won't need much. I think you'd love the sound and simplicity of an AER Compact 60 or a Henriksen Bud. I have the Bud and I've even played it in a small bar. They sound remarkable as do the AER's. If you wanna save some dough, the Roland or even a Fender Acoustasonic would do the trick. The PA you're looking at would be more for playing in a noisy bar or if you drove a full band with it.
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I use a little Roland AC 60 for quiet dining rooms, like in country clubs, and 2 Mackie 350s for bars and restaurants. Thirty people can make a lot of noise depending on the scene. What's the scoop with this gig?
Is it like a house concert or in a small auditorium? People in rows listening? All-acoustic would be really nice in a setting like that. Jeff |
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I traditional PA will be too much IMHO. Less is more.
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As for equipment: Mic stands you don't need top of the line stuff. There are online packages of six mic stands/booms with a carry bag combos for notta-lotta bucks. Mics themselves - vocals SM58s, instruments SM57s. Cables -Pro-Co is fine, you don't need Monster Cables. Mixer Behringer. PA, Don't skimp here. Bose L1C. It will handle this gig and a lot more. This is essentially our basic set up and works extremely well for all that we do. |
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Hello Raj,
I sent you a PM. |
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Hi Raj,
For your budget, you could get a couple of used powered speakers - I like either FBT Max 2As (10" plus horn) or 4A (12" plus horn). Add a small Mackie mixer, cables, stands, and a couple of SM58s or SM57 mics. Might even get a small DI or two if you hunt carefully. That'll stand you in good stead and support most small acts in style. And it won't break the bank or create storage nightmares. mh |
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Less is only less when it's not enough and more is perfect when necessary. And this is coming from a guy who just played the last hour and a half Saturday on the other side of the room from his microphone.
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