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Out of curiosity, it looks as though PUTW offers the Dynamic Trio #54 with a UST as active or with the Misi set up. You can also get it mono or stereo. I wonder if this pickup would give just enough UST in order to make the system a little more stage friendly for those who need a bit more volume. |
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I remember back in the day when PUTW was the latest great thing. I didn't own one of them but I thought my buddies guitar sounded great with it but I was a ignorant schmuck at the time. I do remember his coming loose and flopping into his guitar. That happened to my Anthem system before too. Seems to me it needs to be a better adhesive. Is there a sanding and alcohol prep required with that pickup?
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I did the naphtha cleaning in advance and the bridge plate was smooth. I'm hopeful that he adhesive holds. If not, my plan is to glue them in. One of our members had his luthier glue with superglue and reports great results. The only concern I have right now is adhesion. And, that concern is primarily because I don't know what to expect. Fingers remaining crossed.
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It's a good idea to lightly sand the bridgeplate where the transducers will be located with a 150 grit adhesive-backed paper on a small sanding block or on the broadside of a 9-volt battery. This will slightly rough-up the surface of the bridgeplate and assure the best bond possible. This advice goes against my own newly imposed personal directive not to offer advice on installation procedures or on products with which I have experience. Too many players have gotten burned by my Trance products recommendations that I'm now gun-shy about sharing anything about anything.
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Thanks Ken! I appreciate the advice. I have my fingers crossed the adhesive holds. Otherwise, it's superglue for me.
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First update in post #1.
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They're great sounding pickups, I'm glad it's working for you! A soundhole cover is probably sufficient to reduce feedback risk.
I was walking the dogs yesterday and even had the thought cross my mind that, perhaps, I should go back to PUTW and use the Dynamic-Trio w/my Baggs MixPro. That would provide enough gain to get it to my Tonebone PZ Deluxe which would EQ it and would help me manage any feedback. But, I keep coming back to the "what if?" scenarios of "what if my preamp fails?" or "what if the gig has me plug straight into the board?" and all those things that keep me thinking my LB6 is my safest option but I would definitely consider PUTW again.
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Erik,
There seems to be a trade off between the reliability and predictability of an under-saddle pickup and the tone of some of the boutique sound board transducers. The boutique options like PUTW, Trance, Dazzo etc. can sound great, superb even, but can be difficult to select, install and tweak. The placement and possibilities are seemingly endless. The UST is simple, effective and WYSIWYG. The K&K tries to be somewhere in the middle. For a daily workhorse gig guitar I would likely only use a SBT that I can glue in and forget. If you're a star, you can afford a guitar tech to fiddle with stuff endlessly to get the best possible stage tone. Otherwise, it's probably best to be simple.
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Sample "recording" added to post #1.
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Really impressive and kind of exciting that a minimally invasive (no CA glue, no battery, no drilling into the saddle slot, nothing taking much space) simple (no second source mic, no DSP, no fancy EQ, no compression) system can sound that good. The next steps are a quiet and a noisy gig.
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That sounds Mighty Fine, David!
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Thank you Ken! It's definitely growing on me.
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David,
Being that the PUTW #54 transducers are installed away from being directly under the saddle area of the bridgeplate accounts for the lack of harshness of the tone of your new system. As I've mentioned before on AGF, back in the early 1980s, I started gluing the Shadow single-metal-disk, piezo pickups to both the rear of the bridgeplate (Martin D-18), and also directly on the underside of the guitar's top just off the rear of the bridgeplate (Martin HD-28 which didn't have enough room on bridgeplate behind the bridgepins). Both Martin positionings were on a centerline between the 3rd and 4th strings and resulted in no string-volume imbalance. Buffering the output of the 1-inch-diameter Shadow through an MXR Micro Amp pedal (10 MOhm) would yield a rather mic-like amplified tone, especially when routing the output through a Furman three-band, fully-parametric, rack-mount equalizer. The placement of your PUTW #54 dual strips, one along each side the X-brace, is similar to where the FRAP IT and other stick-on piezo pickups were recommended to be mounted back in the old days. Ovation research found that installing a pickup at the bridge-saddle position gave the most gain-before-feedback compared to other mounting positions and that accounts for every guitar maker and pickup builder henceforth offering a UST system. I did find that although my Shadow mounting positions gave a nice warm tone, the system was quite prone to feedback, especially in acoustically lively rooms. You may find that this will be the case with your PUTW #54 system but depending on the type of venues you play, especially those with carpeting and drapery, it may not be much of a concern. Please keep us posted on your experiences with your new system.
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Hi Ken
Does it mean I'll get Dave's tone by placing the Amulet at PUTW #54 positions? Gary said that Jackson Browne has his amulet installed being the bridge pins. Cuki
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