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If you buy a new acoustic-only Taylor, and you play in up to moderately loud venues, you could consider putting a Trance Audio Amulet Dual Mono system in it. These systems come in battery power or phantom power models.
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I also found that the Taylor ES1 must be played as an electric guitar when played lead.
You have to play while listening to the amplified sound and move your picking hand toward the bridge to get more bite. Yes the sound will not be true to your acoustic but this system has a great dynamic and is able to provide fine sounding lead lines once you've accepted it. Django Reinhardt had only three fingers... He made music with it. Maybe one day, a kid on youtube will use a "vintage" Taylor ES1 and make crazy solos with it... Then everyone will tell: "Wow, how can he make an acoustic sound like that???) Note that I was never wise enough to follow that road (train my finger to overcome the technology limitation). Cuki PS: There is however a real solution for the ES1 that implies less modification. Note that I don't take any responsability for the following: 1) Unplug the magnetic pickup under the fretboard. (I did it once, it is not that difficult). Then you will use only the soundboard transducer that does not suffer from the comb filtering thickness. Basically you end with a magnetic soundboard pickup (ex: Schertler makes one I think) 2) Buy a Tonedexter pedal and image your guitar from the Taylor ES1 soundboard transducer. I will probably try to implement that with my own DIY IR process. NB: In principle Taylor ES1?3 could become the ultimate pickup system, by making a new preamp board and using the stereo out jack to ouput two unbalanced signal: 1 from the magnetic pickup (super feedback resistant) and one for the soundboard transducer with Impulse response (IR) correction (ex: Tonedexter, D-Tar Mama bear, Fishman Aura....)
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The OP's concern is but one reason that I prefer my Taylors without electronics...
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It's so easy now to just order the tru-plug system, rip out the ES1 and install whatever you want. Far less work than unhooking the magnetic pickup and trying to make the SBT's work. I think there's a reason why you almost never see artists using this system. I remember a few people playing it when it first came out but they quickly abandoned it. |
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It's exactly what I have suggested in post n°7!!! 1) buy another pickup 2) fill the hole with a wood piece made for that Of course I did not suggest to unplug the Magnetic pickup first This would be the most risky DIY attempt! But also the funiest Cuki
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I didn't see any mention of what kind of amp is being used, and settings on it. That's the other half of the equation. Dial back the treble, use heavier strings.
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I'll admit right up front that I'm one of those guys who played almost exclusively electric guitar for the first 35 years of my playing. Mostly rock. About 5 years ago, I switched to acoustic and haven't looked back - I love it. I've embraced this whole new world of music that I can now get to perform that for so many years I couldn't. When you're playing the rock/dance club scene, no one wants to hear James Taylor.. My primary gig for the last 4 years has been with a keyboardist/vocalist and our song list includes medium tempo things which certainly aren't all "acoustic" songs. We do quite a bit of classic rock - mostly more laid back things that, again, I could never get away with playing the clubs. This includes things like Little River Band, Ambrosia, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Firefall, ELO, Steely Dan, etc. I have to believe there are a million of us old rock guys now playing Taylors and enjoying the acoustic scene. Long winded explanation of why I actually love the fact that my 314ce & 814ce with the ES1 can sound like a hollow bodied electric! Not exactly. I think it still sounds more acoustic than electric, but it's a nice lead sound. And for the strumming and finger-picking, I think it sounds great. If my setlist was only pure acoustic folk music, I might look elsewhere, but for my "acoustic" gig song list, it includes a lot of songs that were originally played on electric guitar. It's fun for me to try to figure out a way to make the song work on acoustic, but unlike some others, I suppose I may not be looking for a perfect pure acoustic sound. Here's a clip of what I do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CftY4YY7f3Q Like I said, most of what I do is play songs originally recorded on electric guitar, so I'm not a purist in the sound I'm seeking.
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Exactly! I ordered my '02 814c new without electronics. Guitar pickup systems are ever-evolving, so imo, it doesn't make sense to buy any quality guitar with electronics in it, let-alone have unnecessary holes of any kind. I now have a Baggs Anthem SL in it.
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I Gave Up the Expression System, Still LOVE Taylor!
AMEN Brother! I've thought this for over 10 years, and did something about it a long time back.
I love Fishman electronics as much as I love my Taylor guitar. I learned this when I bought my first Taylor with the old ES - hated it, truly could NOT use it live. Sold it. Custom ordered my now 2008 Taylor, with some cosmetic things I preferred anyway, and NO electronics, sort of. With some persuasive sweet-talking from my long-time GC guy, he talked them into making the guitar WITH the knobs (which I LIKE) AND the end-pin battery compartment and plug (which I LIKE). Then I got a Fishman Infinity Matrix and got it specially installed and connected to the knobs and the end pin. Sounds fantastic, WITH the very cool mounting cosmetic aspects of the Expression. Done and Done. I'm delighted. Now, this is NOT readily available, and I was lucky. And appreciative. But even if you took a No-ES Taylor, and had just a standard Infinity Matrix professionally installed, that would be very usable, and much better sounding than the ES. OR any other pickup system that you personally prefer. I would look into the other specific products suggested here. Very best luck to ya - don't give up on your fine Taylor! MIKE O' |
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Yes. It is rare to find the guitar you want with a decent pickup. I will be ripping out a baggs element out of my new gibson dove very soon. And I took an iBeam out of a new custom D18. I typically buy with no electronics ... but sometimes the one you want has less than great electronics.
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Well, If you really hold Taylor guitars in such high regard, why not buy new? The warranty it a good thing and you can install your own electronics. I don't understand your thinking, unless you are unable to afford a new one.
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Having said that, even if I did buy new, I would still have to custom order without electronics and that's something I won't do. Too many variables to consider. |