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Waiting…NGD
At some point after the 55 point check I have a demo version of a Gretsch G5420TG-59 - Vintage Orange - Sweetwater Exclusive showing up.
My habit is to do covers on YouTube and lately early Beatles has been a fascination…so I got a casino and now the gretsch to try and home in on something akin to their tone. The particular demo on order seemed the least mucked up from the pictures. Seems like a good way into the Gretsch world. The fascination with this particular model was the combination of the copy traditional filtertrons rather than the modified FTs or broadtrons, especially if I try to record George’s parts in those 63-67 songs. Okay I admit the color was really nice too The bigsby ought to be interesting, as my main experience with a trem is on my strat. My recording setup is a Marshall dsl40 with a CaptorX going into my interface and using the two notes cab sims. I’ve done a bunch of stuff mic’ing up the dsl 40, but the room is small and I got okay results so this is much more convenient. I also have a plethora of pedals including a dyna comp, nobels mini odr1, and a canyon mini which seem to be what I’ve been using lately for most things. So the questions here surround the guitar itself (recording advice and any quirks I might run into) as well as any maintenance/upkeep specific to this model.
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congrats You'll like it, they are nice guitars for the money for sure
WRT the bigsby, I would suggest picking up a tube of big bends nut sauce. there's a few youtube vids on where to apply but mostly the key "witness points" as they like to refer to them. The nut, the saddle at the bridge, where the string makes contact with the pressure bar. just a dab is all it takes also if you have the right set of nut files, which many people don't, a very light and gentle touch up of the nut and saddle slots to remove any high spots or burr is a good idea. Certainly not enough pressure to cut into the slots, but just clean them up a bit can help. come to think of it, I did need to dress the nut slots on mine as they were not cut quite deep enough for my touch. I think you'll get some good sounds out of the stock pickups but I've noticed on my 5422TG that the output isn't as much as my Gibson pickups (these are all USA made humbuckers) A bit more volume than you are used to dialing in to equal out the change in output may be something you'll notice needing. You can play with the pickup setup/height too, but I haven't found that to be an overwhelmingly effective change. and lastly, I didn't really trust the Gretch stock strap buttons myself, so I changed those out right off the bat with a set of Schaller Strap Locks. They look cool but I feel better with a fully locking setup for the strap
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Good for you! That Sweetwater special Gretsch 5420TG-59 is a very cool guitar and really has a great sound. I have been tempted to buy one of those guitars so many times. I should just do it!
Have fun! - Glenn
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Let’s see how the action is…the reviews all said that factory setup is pretty low. We’ll see. Plus it’s a demo so something will need to be adjusted. Much appreciated.
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They’ve got some demos there that are a little beat up…but the pristine ones are $90 more. I was on a mission to cut any sliver off the total cost I could. I used a bunch of gear exchange bucks also, sold off a bunch of pedals and other gear I never use. You only live once, go for it :-)
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Strings are a big part of the sound, particularly with clean or cleanish amp settings. Beatles may have used flatwound strings, at least in the early days. Though I've played flats on other guitars, I personally didn't care for them on my Gretsch for my goals--but I'm me, not you, or the average player, and I'm not aiming for the Beatles sound particularly.
Round wound nickel (not just nickel plated) stings are another way to change the sound. I think I'm using a DR Pure Blues .010 high E set on my Gretsch right now. Nickel strings were more common in the 60s than currently. The DR Pure Blues are a round core string too, so you if you want to go up gauge in diameter they're a bit less stiff. I did find adjusting pickup height made a difference on mine. I think I read the TV Jones spec online somewhere for what heights to aim for.
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string changes can be tedious. I have 4 guitars with bigsby units, I'm no stranger to the task.
I don't use a spoiler tho. I took a wine cork, and cut to a triangle shape that will rest on the top when I slide it up against the post after I put the bend in the string. That holds the ball end in place on the post till I get enough tension on the string to hold it on the post. Elegant? Nope! Does it work? yes. can't help but wonder if somehow the spoiler would seem to reduce string tension, perhaps a bit too much? Honestly, not sure if that's a thing or not but that's what I think when I see it.
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good idea, I’ll try an experiment. Being a wine drinker, I think I can supply the cork. uh…**** all my current wines bottles have screw caps…:-)
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may have to do an upgrade on the wine thing!
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Except for a few double-cut solidbodies built as exclusives for Guitar Center/Musicians Friend - a "guitar-that-never-was-but-should-have-been" turquoise-over-white/gold-trim Duo-Jet "Mary Ford Standard" (a long and highly apocryphal story - go to the AGF Search engine for particulars) and a near dead-on '63 Jet Firebird tribute - only the Japanese-built Professional Series instruments are fitted with "traditional" Filter'tron pickups. The Korean-built Electromatics of the 2010's used a reverse-engineered version of a '70s "blacktop" FT, similar to what Baldwin used when they owned the company, or the Super Hi-lo'Tron - unlike the true single-coil Brooklyn Hi-lo (still available on the '60 Double Anniversary and '62 Tennessean reissues) this one's a humbucking design based on a modified blacktop FT - which has recently been reinstated to the lineup on the G2604 Streamliner '67 Rally tribute. The Chinese 5400/5600-Series E-Matics (including your '59 tribute) use a new variation called the FT-5E, which employs the 1970's blacktop cosmetics and mounting system (which I prefer to the Brooklyn solid mount, since it allows for overall height/tilt adjustment as well as fine-tuning of all 12 polepieces)...
From the product specs, they say (sic) that this particular model isn’t using the FT5E but rather some other variant. I suppose I can open it up and find out once I get it |
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Yeah I might have to stop the search through TotalWine with my mantra “I will buy no wine above $2.99”
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The ad copy dates from the last of the Korean production, which used the '70s Baldwin-style blacktop - all current MIC 5400-Series E-Matics use the FT-5E Filter'tron...
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