Baggs Lyric - Page 40

guitaniac · #**586** 09-29-2013, 07:01 AM

Big Chuck,

Is this one of those super-cheap Johnson guitars, or some small builder?

In any event, I think the guitar compliments your husky voice and the cajon nicely. It illustrates what some folks here have been saying about the Lyric providing an amplified sound which cuts through in the mix.

Big Chuck · #**587** 09-29-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by guitaniac

Big Chuck,

Is this one of those super-cheap Johnson guitars, or some small builder?

In any event, I think the guitar compliments your husky voice and the cajon nicely. It illustrates what some folks here have been saying about the Lyric providing an amplified sound which cuts through in the mix.

I don't know about super cheap... I mean I did pay $159 for it.

Thanks for the kind words.

Big Chuck · #**588** 09-29-2013, 08:14 AM

http://youtu.be/KDL-YAoFuHg

Another song from that night. "Overwhelmed".

I like how responsive the lyric can be to differences in dynamics.

guitaniac · #**589** 09-29-2013, 10:02 AM

$159? Fair enough, Big Chuck. Sounds better than the K&K Pure Mini in my $100 ebay Samick.

Thanks for the vid links. I especially enjoyed the singing.

FWIW, I downloaded the vid, converted it to MP3 (with the Any Video Converter software) and played around with the sound in the Audacity software. A mid cut around 1.5KHz improves the guitar sound, for my own taste. That particular EQ adjustment would be easy to apply with a portable EQ device like a BOSs GE-7 or the Fishman Platinum preamp.

SpruceTop · #**590** 09-29-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Chuck

http://youtu.be/KDL-YAoFuHg

Another song from that night. "Overwhelmed".

I like how responsive the lyric can be to differences in dynamics.

Big Chuck,

Thanks for the videos of your fine performances! Your voice and your Johnson with the Lyric sound nice considering the recording medium. I'm still tweaking-in my Martin D-18 with its recently-installed Lyric. I hear some good things from my D-18/Lyric setup but I need to mess with it some more. I'm still wondering if I should have waited for Version 2 of the Lyric?

Regards,

SpruceTop

Big Chuck · #**591** 09-29-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by guitaniac

FWIW, I downloaded the vid, converted it to MP3 (with the Any Video Converter software) and played around with the sound in the Audacity software. A mid cut around 1.5KHz improves the guitar sound, for own my taste. That particular EQ adjustment would be easy to apply with a portable EQ device like a BOSs GE-7 or the Fishman Platinum preamp.

That's good info.

I'd like to have something that was really good sounding without bringing my own preamp or special di. And I don't know if that's possible with this pickup.

The sound guy was real nice and kept working with the sound as we experienced some feedback with those monitors so close, and didnt have the punchy bass I would have liked

Big Chuck · #**592** 09-29-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpruceTop

Big Chuck,

Thanks for the videos of your fine performances! Your voice and your Johnson with the Lyric sound nice considering the recording medium. I'm still tweaking-in my Martin D-18 with its recently-installed Lyric. I hear some good things from my D-18/Lyric setup but I need to mess with it some more. I'm still wondering if I should have waited for Version 2 of the Lyric?

Regards,

SpruceTop

Thanks for the kind words. My daughter recorded me on her iphone 5, which in itself is an incredible piece of gear, especially for audio and video on the spur of the moment.

As far as Baggs, you are probably right, there will be a tweaked "new" version at some point. Cool invention and idea with the Lyric. Maybe not all the way finished though.

My wife preferred the guitar sound another player got with his Epiphone EL-00. I looked it up and they come with Fishman Sonitone. To be honest my videos sound better than what I heard thru the monitors, lol.

A lot of options out there for sure.

Take care

SpruceTop · #**593** 09-29-2013, 03:32 PM

For us flatpickers, does anyone have any EQ settings they would like to share with us Lyric users as applied to dreadnought guitars, more specifically the Martin D-18 (New 2012 version) and D-28 (any variations thereof, HD-28, HD-28V, etc.)? I get a pretty good amplified tone out of my D-18 New 2012 but it still has an annoying mid-range hollow-like, brashness when boosting bass frequency by +4 dB centered at 80 Hz, cutting midrange by -6 dB centered on approximately 600 Hz, and cutting treble by -4 dB centered at 12 kHz. Thanks!

Regards,

SpruceTop

Vancebo · #**594** 09-29-2013, 10:33 PM

My Taylor with the Lyric is running through a DTAR Equinox. It has two notch filters. One notches out the body cavity resonance. I learned this technique by reading the Pendulum SPS1 manual. You turn up the bass full or volume up high then you tap on the bridge area and around the top. While doing so you sweep the frequencies until you hear one jump out of control. You notch that frequency away up to 12db. I listen to my guitar acoustically and have learned that the 250 to 300 range of my guitar is particularly ringy. It is a range that most EQ units don't handle unless you can sweep in that range. I have a fairly narrow range cut and I cut fairly deep in most cases. Sometimes I boost the Bass string notes and I give a boost to the trebles. That all depends though. If you are cutting highs. You might consider turning down the presence screw down on your Lyric to make the trebles match your guitar as close as possible. The guys at Baggs said that it was best that I try to add trebles through my preamp.

SpruceTop · #**595** 09-30-2013, 03:40 AM

Thanks Vancebo! I'll give the method you described a try as I'm able to sweep the mid-range band from 100 Hz to 8000 Hz and cut or boost by + or - 12 dB on my new Line 6 L2T.

Regards,

SpruceTop

superdave · #**596** 09-30-2013, 05:11 AM

Just installed in a Larrivee OM-40 . Sounds great with no fiddling. Just rolled off the presence a tad, and was happy pretty much out of the box. The Larrivee end pin jack was predrilled, so install was very easy. Could probably do a second install in 20 minutes.

rschultz · #**597** 09-30-2013, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vancebo

My Taylor with the Lyric is running through a DTAR Equinox. It has two notch filters. One notches out the body cavity resonance. I learned this technique by reading the Pendulum SPS1 manual. You turn up the bass full or volume up high then you tap on the bridge area and around the top. While doing so you sweep the frequencies until you hear one jump out of control. You notch that frequency away up to 12db. I listen to my guitar acoustically and have learned that the 250 to 300 range of my guitar is particularly ringy. It is a range that most EQ units don't handle unless you can sweep in that range. I have a fairly narrow range cut and I cut fairly deep in most cases. Sometimes I boost the Bass string notes and I give a boost to the trebles. That all depends though. If you are cutting highs. You might consider turning down the presence screw down on your Lyric to make the trebles match your guitar as close as possible. The guys at Baggs said that it was best that I try to add trebles through my preamp.

Wow, I've got to try that technique... my Venue would be perfect for something like that.

Thanks for the tip!

Vancebo · #**598** 09-30-2013, 06:34 AM

I find that doing that technique clears up a lot of undefined mud in the sound. I do that when I need to be loud and cut through the mix.

BDiamond · #**599** 09-30-2013, 09:04 AM

Hey Vancebo,

I was reading through your posts from 2011 regarding the SPS-1. That was before the Lyric, but you mentioned that the Equinox was like a Ford Escort, and the SPS-1 was a Ferrari. Do you still feel that way? Or is the Lyric/Equinox pairing working out better than the Equinox with your prior pickup?

guitaniac · #**600** 09-30-2013, 10:41 AM

With respect to finding, and notching down, that problem resonant frequency, I believe that the Baggs PADI manual has similar advice on how to use the notch to find that most feedback prone frequency.

"Notch control and tune knob (98 to 247Hz): Designed primarily to help
with feedback problems. For example, if a particular string is starting to
feedback or produce a booming sound, you can use the notch to cut out the
problem frequency. The tune knob is marked with four positions, each
representing a note on the scale, to help find the problem frequency. Try
boosting the notch control (turn completely clockwise) and sweeping the tune
knob until the feedback is at it's worst. Then turn the notch control back
towards "cut" (counter-clockwise). Cut only enough to kill the feedback.
The notch control can also be used as an EQ knob. A slight cut between D and B (around 200Hz) can clarify a boomy or muddy tone, and slight boosts in this range will give a tthin-sounding guitar more body and acoustic sound. (see also: Invert Switch)"

I bring this up because the PADI worked pretty well (for me) to control the boominess-prone frequencies (around 160Hz) of an iMix-equipped Taylor. Folks who happen to already have a PADI may want to try that with their Lyric-equipped guitar, before investing in a more expensive device like a parametric EQ or Venue preamp.