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There's the emotional, empathic response we have. And we should have that: we're all at least attempted musicians here, and many of us are parents, so there are special intensifiers. For many of us, suffering those feelings in solidarity with the victims is our first duty.
And Larry Pattis' comment above is so true. My observation is that human beings are not mostly capable of this, most of the time; but history teaches us that they are capable of this, and even worse, some times. The cold, tactical reason for this is that terrorism is designed to cause one of two outcomes, either of which is desirable to the perpetrator. The first outcome, is that it may wear-down an opponents will to continue to oppose the perpetrator. While this sometimes happens, it's actually the least likely of the outcomes. The second outcome aimed for by the perpetrators is that it may cause a disproportionate response, a response that says let loose our monstrous nature as just retribution. But monsters unleashed breed more monsters. This is the more likely response, and it's not a sure win for the perpetrators--though it's a puncher's chance--and it is a sure win for monsters.
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As horrible as it is, never delude yourself that this person and act doesn't have supporters.They may cheer openly or they may be more subtle and seemingly condemn the act, that condemnation quickly followed by a "but".
Take away the support and the motivation to do things like this dissolves. Maybe when the logistics and moral supporters end up in court facing charges as co-conspirators, we'll se some reticence to get involved. |
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debbie downer here to say:
I do not think we're going to solve this here on AGF. If any one of us were capable of making this awfulness go away, we'd have done it already. (or so I would hope!) We can't even agree on which strings sound best on a D-18; how in the world are we going to reverse the entrenched misery affecting so many people?
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I think why is the only key in dealing with this type of thing. Otherwise you're playing wack the mole forever.
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This is, has been and will continue until... Draw your own conclusion.
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Dirkhofman left a link above. How many of you have read it? It may take twenty minutes of your life to learn something. Read that. Then go from there before spitting thoughts that lack the bigger picture in which the world we live in seems to attend. No disrespect. We all need to learn more. We need to see this thing for what it is. And deal. One way or another.
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And while I agree with sled that our inability to "solve" the problem doesn't preclude having a discussion, I think AmyFB's post might be intended to encourage a different kind of discussion, and nudge all of us away from the BIG DECLARATIONS, in the vein of, "X is the only solution; everything else is wrongheaded and weak!". |
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Here is reality: Man is flawed, flawed men will continue to do evil. You can't stop it. I'm not suggesting to give up trying, but there is no utopia here.
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That said: Man being flawed does not restrict the possibility of progress in reducing the foundational causes for organized terrorism. Make no mistake organized terrorism does not rise in a vacuum, nor does it only take hold only within religious zealotry . It has and does exists beyond the realm of just extreme religious based fanaticism. Historically the word itself was born in a secular uprising attempting to overthrow a monarchy system, in favor of a more democratic one. What hasn't been tried is putting people in positions of power that do not fight to maintain the status quo, do not play on fear and insecurity, or fantasize and romanticize some rose colored notion of return to the good old days. What has not been tried is a concerted long term effort to move away from so much oil based energy usage , thereby helping to reduce the necessity of having to maintain so much foreign involvement in the region. So yes by extension the larger population definitely plays a role as far as terrorism and the middle east
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