We Saw What You Did And We Know Who You Are

[fazool]

I'm not so worried about "the man" knowing where I am walking. If I got nothin' to hide, I'm not worried about hiding it.

I like the location services because I get emergency weather forecasts, use the "find xxx near me", etc.

[Wadcutter]

Originally Posted by Pitar

I don't own a cell phone and that's one of the reasons out of many. I'd rather break down and walk.

Glad I dumped my smartphone a few months. Call me Mr. Clamshell.

[Pitar]

I see a future of human chipping, what with all the crazies killing people in the far reaches of human diaspora, making the cell phone privacy issue small change by contrast. And, lest we forget, there is no formal right to privacy to protect and enforce (not in the US Constitution, anyway) so, wait for it. Something's gonna get suggested, people will decry it loud and long and often and then it will happen anyway by way of mothers of children lost to terrorism.

Radio free California, anyone?

[Fatstrat]

Originally Posted by Pitar

I see a future of human chipping, what with all the crazies killing people in the far reaches of human diaspora, making the cell phone privacy issue small change by contrast. And, lest we forget, there is no formal right to privacy to protect and enforce (not in the US Constitution, anyway) so, wait for it. Something's gonna get suggested, people will decry it loud and long and often and then it will happen anyway by way of mothers of children lost to terrorism.

Radio free California, anyone?

I really really want to agree with this. But I'm not sure what the hell he said!

[Cypress Knee]

Not to hijack the basic premise of the thread, but now and then you read about somebody (usually a person in a trusted position like teacher, preacher, or coach) getting busted for downloading child porn over the Internet. Usually the news reports don't say they are distributing, just downloading images.

I am not defending that activity, but I am curious to know the Big Brother involvement.

A) Do they have to have a search warrant to track downloads from the Internet to individual homes? How do they get the information to the court to get a search warrant unless they have been monitoring some activity, but is that a wiretap, which also needs a court order?

B) How do they know someone is involved in this activity? It seems to me that they have to be monitoring the distribution sites.

C) If they are monitoring child porn sites that offer downloads, then why aren't they going after the distributors and producers? Maybe some of them are foreign based, but I would think that a lot are US based. It seems to me like the War on Drugs, where the law enforcement officials arrest the street level users and let the distributors walk.

I guess the age of the Internet and social media have opened up the world to a brand new age of law enforcement

Just my .02 tonight.

CK

[Nailpicker]

Originally Posted by Pitar

I don't own a cell phone and that's one of the reasons out of many. I'd rather break down and walk.

Same here. Plus, because of where I live, most cell phones don't work. I did break down and purchase a TracPhone a while back for emergencies only especially for when my wife is driving somewhere. I've lived quite contentedly and financially sound for the first 60 years of my life without a smart phone. I figure I'll die quite contented without one.

[Nailpicker]

Originally Posted by Pitar

I see a future of human chipping...

I think that's called the "sign of the Beast."

[Wadcutter]

Originally Posted by Nailpicker

Same here. Plus, because of where I live, most cell phones don't work. I did break down and purchase a TracPhone a while back for emergencies only especially for when my wife is driving somewhere. I've lived quite contentedly and financially sound for the first 60 years of my life without a smart phone. I figure I'll die quite contented without one.

Roger that Nailpicker. I had a smartphone for two years along with the outrageous monthly bill and contract requirements and when my contract expired a few months ago I was OUTTA there amigo. Sure, I liked all the advantages of the smartphone, apps and all that, but I don't need the extra expense. I hate texting, and I don't give a crap about mobile e-mail. Got myself a TracPhone as you did and told people not to text me or call me unless it's something they really need to reach me for so they don't burn up my minutes with nonsense texts and chatting. Got myself a $10 a month landline, passed out that number and told friends/family if they would like to talk to me they are more than welcome to call my landline anytime. TracPhone in my pocket when I leave the house and used only when absolutely necessary. Ahhhh, life is so much less complicated now....and cheaper!

[imwjl]

Brag about not having a smart phone but know they all have GPS for 911 function. Think about each time you cash a check, use a payment card, do air travel.

Cash? I'm sure most grocery stores you use have a camera on your every step but in the lavatories, your checkout, and when you get in your car. The newer LP systems and not so new systems in our stores allow the cameras to zoom real time or after the fact when you drive away.

Read about the sniffing for typing. Even if you use encrypted messaging the sound of your typing is quite accurate. I've read about laser microphones.

It gets really humorous when I know some who have the paranoia brag about their still using stuff like Windows XP, crappy Android devices and unpatched software. You've got the holes for the government and the criminal networks!

[Basalt Beach]

Originally Posted by Wadcutter

I don't like this one bit. http://www.today.com/money/your-smar...ry-move-t17056

I am just not that important

[Wozer]

Originally Posted by Cypress Knee

Not to hijack the basic premise of the thread, but now and then you read about somebody (usually a person in a trusted position like teacher, preacher, or coach) getting busted for downloading child porn over the Internet. Usually the news reports don't say they are distributing, just downloading images.

I am not defending that activity, but I am curious to know the Big Brother involvement.

A) Do they have to have a search warrant to track downloads from the Internet to individual homes? How do they get the information to the court to get a search warrant unless they have been monitoring some activity, but is that a wiretap, which also needs a court order?

B) How do they know someone is involved in this activity? It seems to me that they have to be monitoring the distribution sites.

C) If they are monitoring child porn sites that offer downloads, then why aren't they going after the distributors and producers? Maybe some of them are foreign based, but I would think that a lot are US based. It seems to me like the War on Drugs, where the law enforcement officials arrest the street level users and let the distributors walk.

I guess the age of the Internet and social media have opened up the world to a brand new age of law enforcement

Just my .02 tonight.

CK

odds are that such activities were taking place on the out of date, yet still around, Gnutella network (Limewire, Bear Share, etc.)...advanced software is in use that allows The Law to see what's going on...

and then there are the 'fake' CP sites online that are actually hosted by The Law...

either way, it's rather annoying...why do I say that? because the downloaders of such material often get far stiffer sentences than those that actually did the acts! and I find that HIGHLY disturbing

[zabdart]

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[Nailpicker]

Originally Posted by imwjl

Brag about not having a smart phone but know they all have GPS for 911 function. Think about each time you cash a check, use a payment card, do air travel.

Never needed, never knowingly used GPS or 911. I suspect I'll never use or need the former. Can't say about the latter. I seldom cash a check except with my bank who already knows me. I never use a payment card. And I haven't air traveled for many, many years and plan never to do so again. I decided to no longer fly long before 911 when I one day realized I was just one sardine trapped in a can entrusting my life to people I had no knowledge of and therefore had no particular reason to entrust my life to.

Originally Posted by imwjl

Cash? I'm sure most grocery stores you use have a camera on your every step but in the lavatories, your checkout, and when you get in your car. The newer LP systems and not so new systems in our stores allow the cameras to zoom real time or after the fact when you drive away.

They can zoom me all they want if they are interested in viewing my pretty brown eyes, but with cash they can't track what I've purchased. And other than big city stores or big stores like Wmart, Target etal, most stores don't have sophisticated camera systems. A fallacy is that the entire world operates like big cities and big box stores do.

Originally Posted by imwjl

Read about the sniffing for typing. Even if you use encrypted messaging the sound of your typing is quite accurate. I've read about laser microphones.

No one could get close enough to my house or home in on me through the trees for any type of microphone to work without me knowing about it. One of the assumptions or errors in thought is that being tracked is completely unavoidable, so why try. I agree that much of it may not be avoidable, but with a small degree of effort and thought much personal tracking can be avoided.

Originally Posted by imwjl

It gets really humorous when I know some who have the paranoia brag about ...

There's that old saying: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the xxxtards aren't out to get you Besides, it not really a matter of paranoia. It's a matter of principle. I simply don't want people to (easily) track me or get their noses in my business, my purchases, my life. Although I'm sure I'm not completely successful avoiding it, I do my best to minimize it and to make it as difficult as possible, not as easy as it might be.
I think a common element I hear from people who have grown up with, been absorbed by, brainwashed by, addicted to, and can't conceive of life without apps, technology, smart this, smart that, is that life is unequivocally improved by it. I disagree. I daresay life is better and a sight less expensive without all of it. Many of us still prefer not to be held by the hand, cradle to grave, by GPS or any other technology that promises us a "safer, more secure" existence.

Secure on-line banking? There is no such thing despite reassurances from the banking industry. I bank at a bank that was honest enough to admit that to me. And my personal bank rep agreed that for every banking convenience a bank offers and one utilizes, the security of their account goes down. She did not press me to take on any of the convenience features the bank offers when I told her that convenience is quite irrelevant. I wanted my accounts to be as secure as bankingly possible.
Keep in mind that I spent 30 years in I.T., don't consider myself a Luddite, but nonetheless these are my thoughts.
I find it sad...and idiotic when I hear my local news channels have their daily "tech news info" extolling this technology and that app that will make your life "so much easier, so much simpler. A must have." Most of the time it is a piece of equipment or a software app that does things, or keeps track of things that we used to do in our head and maybe jot down (keep track of) on a 10 cent note pad. I consider my life to be easier and simpler if I don't part with the cash to go "high tech." To me cash is "a must have."

Teller: "Debit, credit, check or cash, sir?"
Me: "Cash. That way the government can't track me and criminals can't hack me. And by criminals I'm still also referring to government."

Rant over.

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by Nailpicker

Secure on-line banking? There is no such thing despite reassurances from the banking industry. I bank at a bank that was honest enough to admit that to me. And my personal bank rep agreed that for every banking convenience a bank offers and one utilizes, the security of their account goes down. She did not press me to take on any of the convenience features the bank offers when I told her that convenience is quite irrelevant. I wanted my accounts to be as secure as bankingly possible.
Keep in mind that I spent 30 years in I.T., don't consider myself a Luddite, but nonetheless these are my thoughts.
I find it sad...and idiotic when I hear my local news channels have their daily "tech news info" extolling this technology and that app that will make your life "so much easier, so much simpler. A must have." Most of the time it is a piece of equipment or a software app that does things, or keeps track of things that we used to do in our head and maybe jot down (keep track of) on a 10 cent note pad. I consider my life to be easier and simpler if I don't part with the cash to go "high tech." To me cash is "a must have."

Teller: "Debit, credit, check or cash, sir?"
Me: "Cash. That way the government can't track me and criminals can't hack me. And by criminals I'm still also referring to government."

Rant over.

I also use cash and will have nothing to do with online banking. My bank, however, is clearly quite keen that we all get on board; at the entrance, once you get past the grinning suit with the horribly empty "courtesy" greeting, a large placard says "Welcome to name of bank online banking!" No ferniketting way, my non friend!

What I am definitely not afraid of is the government. I think that's a uniquely American cultural thing to declare oneself eternally suspicious and resentful of the evil overlords, who are all eagerly plotting to eliminate the immaculate autonomy of the individual. Personally, I think the government has far larger fish to fry than people like us - I don't think there's anything I do, at least, that they would be remotely interested in. No, it's the criminal fraternity I'm trying to evade with my stubborn resistance to "get on board"!

[PorkPieGuy]

I don't care if they are tracking me. If they do, they will see what an utterly boring and mundane life I lead. I'm either at home, work, church, or on the same stretch of road that's between all three places.

Track all you want.