The Acoustic Guitar Forum

Go Back   The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-26-2016, 03:14 PM
guitarlancer guitarlancer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 371
Default Scoop Cutaway History

Hello everyone. I'm going to be doing some videos for Faith Guitar line in the next week. One of them has a scoop cutaway and I'm curious about the history of this design and possibly where it came from. It's different than typical cutaways.
Here's a link of what I'm talking about.
If you're a builder, feel free to chime in as this interest me.

http://www.faithguitars.com/guitars/...45-bnc-parlour
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-26-2016, 03:23 PM
Mooh Mooh is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,661
Default

I'm not a builder but I did have a scoop cutaway added to a Josh House guitar a couple of years ago, by Josh. I like it a lot. It was added when I had the guitar refretted and refinished. He did a stellar job.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-26-2016, 03:55 PM
Silly Moustache Silly Moustache is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The Isle of Albion
Posts: 22,144
Default

the first time I saw this feature was on guitars built by noted English luthier and gentleman, Nick Benjamin.

It is known in the Uk as the "Benjamin scoop"

http://www.benjaminguitars.co.uk/
__________________
Silly Moustache,
Just an old Limey acoustic guitarist, Dobrolist, mandolier and singer.
I'm here to try to help and advise and I offer one to one lessons/meetings/mentoring via Zoom!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-26-2016, 03:59 PM
Rodger Knox Rodger Knox is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Baltimore, Md.
Posts: 2,431
Default

Al Carruth and Burton LeGeyt have used that style, but I don't think either of them claims to be the original designer.
__________________
Rodger Knox, PE
1917 Martin 0-28
1956 Gibson J-50
et al
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-26-2016, 05:17 PM
PTC Bernie PTC Bernie is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PTC GA
Posts: 4,537
Default Scoop

The first time I saw one was about 5 years ago on a guitar built by a guy by the name of Morrison.

He had a few other neat design features that he incorporated into his guitars too. An unique feature was that the neck pivot on a mounting bolt and there was a second bolt that "pinched" the neck so you could adjust the angle. Kind of hard to describe, but it eliminated neck resets.

He also had an adjustable internal baffle on some guitars.

Pretty innovative stuff, not sure if it caught on.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-26-2016, 07:24 PM
dberkowitz dberkowitz is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 831
Default

Another might be Richard Brune in Evanston. Classical builder. He and his son do them. You might ask them if they have any knowledge about it. Richard's a real guitar historian, at least where it comes to classicals.
__________________
David D. Berkowitz
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-26-2016, 11:29 PM
gitarro gitarro is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,509
Default

One early adopter of the scoop cutaway was Steven Schwartz. The Malaysian luthier Jeffrey Yong also uses them, though he may started using them later.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-26-2016, 11:40 PM
tippy5 tippy5 is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: So Cal
Posts: 3,247
Default

I had a Jeffery Yong that had one.
I liked it but it didn't give as much room to move as a cutaway does.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-27-2016, 12:06 AM
rogthefrog's Avatar
rogthefrog rogthefrog is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,058
Default

Joel Michaud uses that shape.

http://acousticguitarforum.com/forum...=415686&page=5

Steve Sheriff (Edwinson) made one for a recent guitar of his.

http://acousticguitarforum.com/forum...d.php?t=428698

The Avian Songbird, designed by Michael Bashkin, has one.

http://www.dreamguitars.com/detail/3...osewood_99999/
__________________
Solo acoustic guitar videos:
This Boy is Damaged - Little Watercolor Pictures of Locomotives - Ragamuffin
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-27-2016, 03:17 AM
Silly Moustache Silly Moustache is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: The Isle of Albion
Posts: 22,144
Default

Wow, didn't know so many makers copied Nick Benjamin !
__________________
Silly Moustache,
Just an old Limey acoustic guitarist, Dobrolist, mandolier and singer.
I'm here to try to help and advise and I offer one to one lessons/meetings/mentoring via Zoom!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-27-2016, 03:24 AM
gitarro gitarro is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,509
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silly Moustache View Post
Wow, didn't know so many makers copied Nick Benjamin !
Well, actually Benjamin did not invent the scoop cutaway.

http://www.melodist-net.com/~harpgui...agamookEng.htm

It turns out that Micky Uchida has been using scoop cutaways (and all manner of other unorthodox cutaways) since 1998 or 2000.

Nick Benjamin freely admits that he did not invent the scoop cutaway (he only started building in his own workshop in 1998).

http://www.benjaminguitars.co.uk/options.htm
Reply With Quote
Reply

  The Acoustic Guitar Forum > General Acoustic Guitar and Amplification Discussion > General Acoustic Guitar Discussion

Tags
cutaway, guitar building






All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, The Acoustic Guitar Forum
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=