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Old 05-27-2016, 08:32 AM
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No!!!

They go off the tempo a few measures after I start playing.
Ha! This made me laugh out loud.

As for me, I SHOULD practice with a metronome. My timing definitely needs improving. I go off the rails.

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Old 05-27-2016, 09:13 AM
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I don't understand how people jump out of time when playing a piece.
I think their internal clock is wonky.

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And the use of a metronome also requires you know the exact tempo of a song.
I'm inclined to gently disagree - the exact tempo isn't the point , the timing
within the chosen tempo is the point.


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If it's just for practice staying in tempo, like I said, how do people get out of rhythm?

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I believe it is because the player hits a wrong note and stops, thereby losing a beat (or two), and when they come back in with the right note, they've "backed up" to where they faltered, instead of allowing the beat to carry the song along. Not sure if that makes sense the way i wrote it.

number = timing/note, oops = falter, tap = keep the beat going

1, 2, 3, 4,
1, 2, 3, oops
oops 1, 2
3, 4, oops, oops

as opposed to:

1, 2, 3, 4
1,2, 3, oops
tap, tap, 3, 4
1, 2, 3, 4
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:15 AM
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I believe it is because the player hits a wrong note and stops, thereby losing a beat (or two), and when they come back in with the right note, they've "backed up" to where they faltered, instead of allowing the beat to carry the song along. Not sure if that makes sense the way i wrote it.

number = timing/note, oops = falter, tap = keep the beat going

1, 2, 3, 4,
1, 2, 3, oops
oops 1, 2
3, 4, oops, oops

as opposed to:

1, 2, 3, 4
1,2, 3, oops
tap, tap, 3, 4
1, 2, 3, 4
Exactly. To me, a good musician isn't one that hits all the notes perfectly. It's one who can keep going, in time, when they make a mistake.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:25 PM
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Every time I practice.

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Old 05-27-2016, 12:33 PM
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I think their internal clock is wonky.



I'm inclined to gently disagree - the exact tempo isn't the point , the timing
within the chosen tempo is the point.



I believe it is because the player hits a wrong note and stops, thereby losing a beat (or two), and when they come back in with the right note, they've "backed up" to where they faltered, instead of allowing the beat to carry the song along. Not sure if that makes sense the way i wrote it.

number = timing/note, oops = falter, tap = keep the beat going

1, 2, 3, 4,
1, 2, 3, oops
oops 1, 2
3, 4, oops, oops

as opposed to:

1, 2, 3, 4
1,2, 3, oops
tap, tap, 3, 4
1, 2, 3, 4
Yes amy that does make sense, but is that because of timing, or not being able to recover from a misstep? Are they the same thing or are they different? I admit my recovery is troublesome when playing lead lines and I mess up, but my timing and rhythm has never been an issue.

Now I haven't played with a bunch of people like some here have, but I have played in groups and I never had a timing issue, when playing rhythm. I can see it when playing lead lines, and that was what my instructor told me years ago when I started learning to play some lead and he told me to get a metronome. Which I never did master, because it just never really interested me much.

My interest has always been Flat Picking in the Carter style using melody lines. But yes I get using a metronome to practice if you are mixing in a bunch of lead and/or lead lines. Staying in time is much more troublesome.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:57 PM
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No way Jose.

I'm a human, not a machine and changing the tempo of a song whenever I want is part of my interpretation.
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:04 PM
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The answer will probably be, no.

That's the primary reason people won't use them, it reveals their shortcomings in timing. The flip side is that it also helps them in correcting it.
I don't use one as much as I should, but when I do I usually use an app that lets you program it so some bars have the metronome and some don't. My physical metronome isn't that advanced and a good app is relatively inexpensive. It's pretty rewarding when the metronome comes back on and I'm in time and pretty illuminating when I'm off and wouldn't otherwise know it.
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Old 05-27-2016, 02:18 PM
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I used to and it really helped me with my timing. You can also practice with a drum machine if the metro gets boring.
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Old 05-27-2016, 03:37 PM
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every instructor i've ever worked with has offered this advice:

the audience will forgive a wrong note, they won't accept inconsistent rhythm.

you can stop playing notes just don't let the beat get off track.
Ed Gerhard mentioned the same thing. He described rhythm as a contract you have with the audience, and if your rhythm isn't solid (you slow down or speed up randomly, or you add / subtract beats), that contract is breached, and it's a lot worse than flubbing a note.

I agree.
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Old 05-27-2016, 04:33 PM
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Yes I do and it always improves my playing. It took me a while before I could play with a metronome (I've been playing for over 4 years now).

The first couple of times I tried, it was such a difficult task master that it took all the joy out of my playing and I couldn't bear to stick with it.

But as I've progressed as a player, somehow the last time I grabbed the metronome (I use Justin Guitar's time trainer app), it stopped being so difficult and started to be more, dare I say, enjoyable.

I started learning a new fingerstyle recently that was giving me trouble mentally, and I reached to the metronome and it's helped a huge amount.

The metronome made it clear to me that I was speeding up and I find it quite funny when I hear other players say things like "I never need to use a metronome, I have good timing". To which I mentally think "liar liar pants on fire".
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Old 05-27-2016, 04:39 PM
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Every time I practice, which means every day. Everyone I have met who hates metronomes has inconsistent time. Maybe there is a correlation.
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Old 05-27-2016, 05:08 PM
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About 75% of my practice time involves the metronome.
Particularly important for becoming adept at looping....

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Old 05-27-2016, 05:49 PM
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No, perhaps I should have used one when I started out around 11 odd years ago, but I strummed and picked along to all sorts of records, CD's and YouTube tracks of varying tempos instead.
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Old 05-27-2016, 06:35 PM
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No substitute for working out with a metronome. It's a bit like working out with a strength trainer. Sure you can exercise on your own, but you'll develop faster if you have a trainer observing your every movement.

That being said I do not work out with a metronome except when the fingering is particular challenging or when working on scales and speed studies. It always increases precision in playing. Never wasted time, but not always fun.
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Old 05-27-2016, 06:41 PM
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yes, for years. my first guitar teacher introduced me to doing that and I never quit using a metronome for practice. a great tool for building rhythm skills.
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