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Old 09-14-2017, 08:24 AM
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NON rechargeable Energiser LITHIUM batteries are practically immortal !
Hey Jon, this should be stickied! Thanks!

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As to your question above, I have always had to EQ any and every pickup I've owned.
There you go, Methos. I think the K&K is a good pickup. I have never try it but I have tried cheap Korean made suction cup soundbound transducer and they are great! I firmly believe that there is no one holy grail pickup that requires you to do nothing. And if there is ever one, it will be the ears of your audience in a small room.

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Old 09-14-2017, 09:30 AM
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I have the K&K on my RS and Emerald acoustic guitars. I have a volume control cord that adjusts at the jack. Both guitars are balanced enough that I do not need eq settings. The K&K is an incredibly clean sounding pickup. The point of the system is to keep the tote load at a minimum. I should also note that I don't often do large venues and work through a AC33 amp when going electric at mid-sized venues. At larger venues I let the sound folks have control.

I will be changing the system with the in-process Emerald electric. The Barbera is an experiment for me and one that will be augmented with (shudder) a battery and volume and tone controls. I prefer a passive setup but think a nylon string, thin bodied guitar might need a little push. I could be wrong.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:42 PM
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It looks like they built up some white material and sanded that material flat (Emerald arches their CF buildup instead of using braces like Composite Acoustics or a thick spacer between the inner and outer CF layers like RainSong). The cables at the heads are going the wrong direction. K&K directions say they should go towards the neck and loop back towards the end pin forcing the wires away from the pins. The high e/B head should be located in front of the high e string, not between them. For the RainSong I installed a K&K in, since its soundboard is flat, I used very thick gap filling CA glue in case the surface was not as smooth as ideal. It worked fine. Given how this was installed, I would recommend the Baggs options.
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Old 09-14-2017, 01:14 PM
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.... NON rechargeable Energiser LITHIUM batteries are practically immortal !
....Long long shelf life, Never leak. Worth the extra, (forget re-chargeables they generally don't hold the full voltage very long, v poor performance , spend more time on the charger than in the appliance....
Lithium batteries are used in smoke detectors for that very reason-- years of shelf life, and a smoke detector is basically a trickle demand. Lithium's can be a bit larger and more square-ish than some 9V cells, so can be a tight fit in certain battery holders. I use lithium batteries in certain test equipment left outdoors because they don't have a voltage drop at low temperatures (a trick learned from an Iditarod musher for his headlamps and GPS).

Rechargeable batteries (NiCd for example) are 1.2V per cell, whereas most non-rechargeable types are 1.5V per cell. So a full rechargeable battery starts at 80% compared to an alkaline battery.
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:28 PM
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It looks like they built up some white material and sanded that material flat (Emerald arches their CF buildup instead of using braces like Composite Acoustics or a thick spacer between the inner and outer CF layers like RainSong). The cables at the heads are going the wrong direction. K&K directions say they should go towards the neck and loop back towards the end pin forcing the wires away from the pins. The high e/B head should be located in front of the high e string, not between them. For the RainSong I installed a K&K in, since its soundboard is flat, I used very thick gap filling CA glue in case the surface was not as smooth as ideal. It worked fine. Given how this was installed, I would recommend the Baggs options.
I asked Jack at K&K technical support about my Emerald X20 K&K mini installation. (Jack got the same pictures I posted on this thread.)
I asked, does it matter which direction the wires point ?
Does it matter if the pickups are flipped/positioned 180 degrees ?
I also asked about the pickup position between B/e string ?

Jack said the pickup between B/e string looked fine.
He also said the wires normally do point toward the neck, but they will work fine pointed the other way. It really does not matter which pickup is where as long as they are spaced correctly. Just watch out when you change guitar strings that the beads do not contact the wires as that could produce a buzz when you play.

The K&K wires have not been an issue when changing strings on my X20 and the wires do not move near the string ball area so I doubt they'll hinder in future string changes.

I've not had any issues with the K&K mini system in my X20, IMHO it sounds great.
The K&K mini system in my X7 (Emerald folks installed also) also sounds great, IMHO.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:04 PM
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K&K started recommended that exact placement, favoring the high E, a while back. The B string tended to be a bit too loud with the old installation.

I have a very rare K&K in my guitar. My high E was too quite (compared to all strings), so the luthier wired in a 4th head to the trebles side of the high E. My low E sounded just a bit too quiet when compared to the unplugged tone so... the luthier wired in a 5th head to the bass side of the low E. My guitar has a HUGE tone plugged in. Very full, very balanced. He charged me for what I got, 1 & 2/3 of a standard K&K. He said it was easy due to the vert basic nature of the K&K.

EDIT: I haven't read of the K&K being exactly over the high E like was suggested above. Last I saw it was just to be closer to the E as the picture shows.According to K&K's website, the transducer placement relative to the strings is fine http://kksound.com/support/jig-new.php I find it pretty goopy looking, but I guess it's a lot harder to work on when you have to have your whole arm in there with no vision! If it sounds good, then it's good!

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Old 09-14-2017, 06:28 PM
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K&K started recommended that exact placement, favoring the high E, a while back. The B string tended to be a bit too loud with the old installation.

I have a very rare K&K in my guitar. My high E was too quite (compared to all strings), so the luthier wired in a 4th head to the trebles side of the high E. My low E sounded just a bit too quiet when compared to the unplugged tone so... the luthier wired in a 5th head to the bass side of the low E. My guitar has a HUGE tone plugged in. Very full, very balanced. He charged me for what I got, 1 & 2/3 of a standard K&K. He said it was easy due to the vert basic nature of the K&K.
Wait - you have five K&K transducers under the bridge??
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:59 PM
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Wait - you have five K&K transducers under the bridge??
Yup!! It certainly picked up some extra range. I would think that high and guitars don't need this. I'm also super picky about things. The luthier said that the bridge plate on my Taylor seemed thicker than is necessary on a guitar. It was his opinion that this was the reason why vibrations weren't transferring as much as they should have. He is very experienced with K&K, uses them in all of his builds. His solution was simple and satisfactory.
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