Doesn't make sense

[Tyeetime]

Ebola, terrorism...if the media can make a buck whipping up paranoia they'll do it.

[seannx]

Originally Posted by SongwriterFan

Would you knowingly choose the doctor who just got back from treating Ebola patients?

If so, why?

Here are a few reasons...

The doctor just back from Africa is a much more highly regarded and experienced expert in the field, and excells in being able to spot even the most minute, almost impossibly hard to discern evidence of cancer or abnormalities.

You are intelligent and sufficiently well informed to realize that there would be no rational basis for such a choice.

You are the kind of person who doesn't let media induced fear and hype determine their behavior.

You are aware of other risk factors to base a choice of doctors on, which have a much higher probability of having a measureable effect or influence on the safety and success of the procedure.

You don't like to pose rediculous, hypothetical examples in a discussion, that may come across as trick questions, or examples of how to participate in a way that appears insincere or snarky.

You want to make Larry's posts appear even more reasonable, perceptive, and wise.

You want to add to your post count, and take full advantage of any opportunity to use a smiley.

[architype]

Uh oh...looks like we might get some thunderstorms later today. I guess I better go hide in the basement since I have a better chance of getting struck by lightening than contracting Ebola.

[ewalling]

Originally Posted by Tyeetime

Ebola, terrorism...if the media can make a buck whipping up paranoia they'll do it.

Eww, I can't believe you just said that! I mean, terrorism is just so one month ago, dude. Ebola is where it's at right now!

[Larry Pattis]

In the vernacular of our times:

[mjz]

Originally Posted by Fatstrat

A nurse cares enough about fighting/stopping Ebola that she goes to Africa to help. Then upon her return throws a fit about being quarantined for 21 days in order to keep America safe.
It seems like a conflicting attitude.

She knows what you do not.

After the 6th outbreak since 1976 we know how the infection spreads.
There is not enough virus present to spread when symptoms are not present. That's just a fact that has been proven by science and experience.

We basically took away this persons liberty for no good reason. Had she not been released she would have sued and won on facts.

I don't understand why so many are so unwilling to trust the medical professionals who have been dealing with this since 1976. Facts just no longer matter.

Further, I can't understand why we would want to discourage health care professionals from the US from going to West Africa and attacking this disease at the source. Cause that's all this ill-informed, fear-based reaction will do -- stop health care workers from treating at the source. And ultimately this will make matters worse.

The Ebola reaction from the uninformed is embarrassing for our country.
We have become political beasts, trading away knowledge for anger.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by HHP

I applaud her service but surely she, better than anyone, knows that a deadly disease with a long incubation period necessitates quarantine. Someone bringing a healthy pet dog from outside the country will need to quarantine them so I wouldn't think its unreasonable to take precautions with a disease that has killed thousands.

No, it doesn't.
People are not dogs.
If you are planning to take somebodies liberty away, the least one could do is base it on facts.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by Larry Pattis

Let's get real, folks.

Good luck with that.
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[mjz]

Originally Posted by Fatstrat

I heard that she had previously exhibited a high temp. But it has subsided.
As far as science. What with the protocols, revised protocols, re-revised protocols and re-re revised protocols. Kind of hard not to think a learning curve is in place here and maybe safe is better than sorry.

Here are the facts

Ms. Hickox disputed that she had had a fever. She wrote that at the airport, a forehead scanner showed her temperature to be 101, but that came after four hours during which she had not been allowed to leave.
“My cheeks were flushed, I was upset at being held with no explanation,” she wrote. “The female officer looked smug. ‘You have a fever now,’ she said.”
She was eventually escorted by eight police cars to University Hospital in Newark and taken to a tent outside the building. An oral thermometer showed her temperature to be 98, she wrote.

The protocols have been political reaction to satisfy all of the misinformed people. Again, this is the 6th outbreak since 1976. We know how this disease spreads.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by M19

The CDC was originally very comfortable, and now less so, due to what happened in Dallas. The Governors of NJ and NY were clearly not comfortable with them and took more stringent actions, justifiable or not to others.

You are intermingling two separate issues. The CDC's recommendations for quarantine have not changed. You are talking about Health care worker protocols in hospital settings with a confirmed Ebola patient when you are talking about Dallas. That hospital was not ready for prime time. Not blaming the hospital. Procedures take time to get right.

This is very different than protocols prior to symptoms.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by HHP

Last I heard, quarantine was a completely medical/scientific procedure designed to isolate communicable disease to prevent spread to the general population.

What part of the current situation doesn't fit that description?

Quarantine isn't needed until symptoms are present.

Does anybody realize that there have been lots of returning health care workers who have not contracted the disease? I mean, think about it. There have been lots of Health care professional in close contact with confirmed Ebola victims. Yet they haven't contracted the disease. They obvioulsy know what they are doing.

Your fear is not justification to take away someone's liberty for no good reason.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by HHP

If Ebola transmission doesn't require quarantine, what disease would?

If Ebola requires quarantine than so does the flu.

What is it you don't understand? The disease is not communicable until symptoms are present. The medical community, with 38 years of experience dealing with Ebola informs us that when a fever is present quarantine is then required.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by SongwriterFan

I don't think they really KNOW the "science". If they did, Frieden wouldn't be changing the protocols (just did it again today, too, I believe).

Fear and politics is driving this. Pure and simple.
People here are informed that the disease cannot be spread until symptoms show and they ignore it. It's the politics of fear and low information and unfortunately, Frieden and the administration are forced to play it.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by Wadcutter

Like Fat said, better to be safe than sorry. And if you get Ebola, you're going to be REAL sorry. You may even be DEAD SORRY.

The problem is discouraging people from treating the disease at the source is counter-productive. It will make the disease spread more. Safe is encouraging people to help out at the source -- not discouraging them.

Safe is allowing people to leave West Africa, not making them go underground and spread the disease.

The basic issue is people refuse to listen to the medical community. In that condition there is no way to proclaim what is safe.... sorry.

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[mjz]

Originally Posted by SongwriterFan

Would you knowingly choose the doctor who just got back from treating Ebola patients?

If so, why?

Because he doesn't live his life in fear and low information?
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