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After ManyMartinMan wrote that "The Shape Of Water" is wildly original, Somg Writer replied:
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I suspect what will happen is that the estate of the playwright Paul Zindel will sue the studio and/or del Toro for millions, a counteroffer in the low 5 figures will be made, and a settlement in the low 6 figures will be accepted, along with a nondisclosure agreement. The problem for Zindel's estate in proving conscious, deliberate plagiarism is that there are many, MANY plots that get reused over and over again. The similarities between his long-forgotten play and this movie are kind of inevitable, really, given that both the play and this movie are really just retellings of "The Beauty and Beast" with an aquatic twist. The Broadway musical and subsequent movie of "West Side Story" is nothing more than a 1950's take on "Romeo and Juliet." Then there's "The Lost Patrol," an early John Ford film where members of a doomed British Army patrol in the desert get picked off one by one. How many action flicks and horror movies follow that structure? Most of the horror movies, that's for certain. So while I agree that "The Shape Of Water's" plot is not original, what's important is how the story is told. "The Shape Of Water" is nothing more than a "The Beauty and Beast" variant, as is "Let Me Hear You Whisper." Perhaps the estate of Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve, who wrote the first published version of the story in 1740, could sue del Toro, Zindel and Walt Disney for plagiarism! But the original "Beauty and Beast" story she wrote was itself drawn from spoken folklore that stretches back centuries, perhaps farther. It seems to be one of those archetypal narratives that every culture has a version. So I don't claim that the story told in "The Shape Of Water" is totally original, because obviously it isn't. But to claim that it was stolen from a specific 1969 Broadway play is to ignore that there are myriad versions of the same story available in the culture at all times. My understanding is that the origin of "The Shape Of Water" is that del Toro saw "The Creature From The Black Lagoon" on television when he was a kid, and fell in love with the idea of the creature and the female lead becoming a romantic couple. Evidently he drew pictures of them holding hands, getting ice cream cones, dancing and so forth. So it's an idea he's had for a long, long time. If anyone should get credit for the narrative for "Water," it probably ought to be the folks who wrote the screenplay for "The Creature From The Black Lagoon." Because that movie was the direct inspiration for del Toro's movie, not Zindel's play. Hope that makes sense. Wade Hampton Miller |
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whm PS: I mentioned "West Side Story" in that post, only to learn since I posted that THAT is getting remade, as well, this time by Steven Spielberg: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/m...e=sectionfront |
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I saw this monument in Charleston SC a couple of summers ago and took this for you. Only thought of it now.
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There's also a giant mural in the Citadel library of Wade Hampton leading Citadel cadets into battle, and when I was a cadet there I did quite a few extra pushups because of it! I guess during that battle the cadets got shot up pretty badly, while Hampton himself escaped without so much as a singed whisker...at least that's what the upperclassmen giving me the pushups told me. Wade Hampton Miller |
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I finally got to watch this movie (bought it on iTunes) and loved it. But I am surprised nobody mentioned the outstanding song played at the end. To my ear the singer sounded like Iris Demint but it turns out it was Amy Annelle’s cover of Townes Van Zandt’s “Buckskin Stallion Blues”.
Thanks to to OP for posting about this movie. Probably would have never given this one a try otherwise.
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I'm glad you liked it.
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Great movie. My wife and I saw it yesterday. Frances McDormand and Woody Harrelson were great, but we were both knocked out by Sam Rockwell’s performance.
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Think it hits On Demand this week or next.
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I know it was one of the options for the in-flight entertainment when I took a long flight on Delta Airlines on Sunday. I think Amazon Prime has it, too.
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