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Old 05-02-2002, 08:31 PM
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ex) pick that example above that has three rhythmic elements....the one that consists of three eighth notes....and remember...any one of those three eighth notes could be an 8th note rest ....

even if we restrict ourselves to the chord voicing that I wrote out for the E7sus4 chord that only utilized three strings....

which was...


0xx23x...

we could play one, two, or three strings on the count of 1....

we could play one, two, or three strings on the "&" of beat 1

we could play one, two, or three strings on the count of 2..

we can play that darn chord a whole bunch of ways.....
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:38 PM
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the point here is NOT to just sit about and talk about playing this simple chord change in a lot of different ways....

I am NOT suggesting you sit and turn guitar practice into some type of undergraduate class in Combinatorics....

I am NOT in the slightest suggesting you should sit and find every possible way of playing that first chord out....

I am suggesting that you probably at first glance don't realize how many ways you actually could play that chord out....
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:43 PM
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So, how are we going to practice?

your brain likes repetition when trying to absorb.....

I should say that in person.....this would all take two minutes to show to somebody...

Student would say "man, I wanna play like this guy...."

I'd say "ok.....(metronome on).....

"he does this".....repeat the measure over and over and over and over and over and over......

short posts....
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:47 PM
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and THEN with this ridiculously simple organizational tool of rhythmic relatives....

JUST EVER SO SLIGHTLY alter what the TAB said to do and repeat it over and over and over and over and over....

you're just playing one measure (or two measures or whatever the particular example involves)....the metronome keeps going....

in our example (let notes ring)
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:53 PM
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in our example we could (again, let all notes ring)....

play 0xxxxx on beat 1

play xxx2xx on the "&" of beat 1

play xxxx3x on beat 2

then just play x0x22x as a block chord on the "&" of beat 2 and let it ring for beats 3 and 4

over and over and over and over and over...only takes a few seconds....not years.....
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Old 05-02-2002, 08:58 PM
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if the above is tough.....AS ALWAYS...whether you are Wally of Wisconsin or a virtuoso such as Steve Lukather....make sure you are clapping or tapping out the rhythm of what you're trying to play BEFORE you try to do it on the guitar.....BASIC but POWERFUL idea there.....you could learn a LOT by working on SIMPLE music reading done well.....
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Old 05-02-2002, 09:05 PM
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just as another example, instead of the above (even though we would be keeping the same rhythm and merely utilizing the same strings )

we could play (again, let ring)


0xxxxx on beat 1

0xx2xx on the "&" of 1

0xx23x on beat 2

and make the switch to the A chord as before on the "&" of beat 2....let it ring through beats 3 and 4....repeat...


over and over and over....


large number of repetition in just a short period of time....


once your hands are comfortable with what they're doing....

how are you going to start memorizing the names of the notes?
how are you going to start memorizing intervallic relationships?

ummmmmmmmm?

Easy if you do things one step at a time....and it does NOT take a long time if you don't overload that poor brain....
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Old 05-09-2002, 11:22 PM
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i know what you mean about overloading the brain,
the hardest thing for me isnt playing the notes andchords,
its remembering a whole arrangement.
thanks agin for your input
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Old 05-18-2002, 11:06 AM
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saw what you said about how playing the material is not the problem...

we'll bounce back and forth between the triad thread...

where this thread 'should go'...and hopefully won't take 18 months...is a way you might go about 'putting theory into motion'....

...and how to avoid learning 30 new things only to forget and not apply 29 of those things....
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Old 05-20-2002, 12:47 AM
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so im not the only one that cant put more than a few new things to memory at a time,
thats good to know,
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Old 05-22-2002, 07:13 PM
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before moving on here....

just a couple examples with rests.....

the memory game...the memory game...

same chord(s)....still just limiting to 8th notes....still just restricting ourselves to the same string set...still just restricting ourselves to the same horizontal area of the neck...
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Old 05-22-2002, 07:20 PM
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for the E7sus4

play 0xx23x on the beat of 1

play 0xx23x on the & of 1

play a percussive muted whack on beat 2

play the A chord on the & of 2 as x0x22x let it ring and again...

you just start repeating that measure on beat 1

over and over and over...

for the percussive whack keep your fingers slightly curled as they would be when fingerpicking and just let them curl into your palm naturally when you mute.....don't want to lose the basic fingerstyle hand position.....ask if that's not clear....
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Old 05-22-2002, 07:26 PM
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how about

play whack on 1

play 0xx23x on the & of 1

play whack on 2

play x0x22x on the & of 2...let ring


repeat the measure over and over....

no breaks...

metronome going going going....

the memory game.....
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Old 05-22-2002, 07:30 PM
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the memory game.....

how about

play 0xx2xx on 1 (let ring)

play xxxx3x on the & of 1

play whack on 2

again the A chord on the & of 2 ....let ring...repeat the measure over and over......no breaks....
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Old 05-22-2002, 07:32 PM
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if you want to start memorizing....memorizing and learning so you can apply....etc....then it would be good to....to....

come on....

it would be good to....?

what?

ideas?
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