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Old 09-01-2017, 03:07 AM
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Default 12 string modified as lap-steel guitar

Is it possible to only put 6 strings on a 12 string guitar and play it as a lap-steel? Best ways to do it? Negatives to this idea? Would this in any way destroy the 12 string? Does using the Grover Nut Extension to raise the strings up cause more tension on the body of the guitar, neck, saddle area? Whatever anyone else can think of?
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:36 AM
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I actually have done this. In principle, it worked fine. I did it with a beater 12 string that I got very cheaply. I replaced the nut and saddle to make the strings higher. The down side is, well, it was a cheap guitar and it just didn't sound any good. Having that huge body and the extra tuners (they were on a plate so I couldn't just removed 6 of them) made it feel a bit cumbersome. I do have a weissenborn which is very comfortable to play so compared to that it felt like a tank. If it had sounded better I would probably have gotten used to it but I considered it a failed experiment but it was still fun to try.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:06 PM
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I got mine at a very reasonable price. Given to me for free. On this one I can remove six of the turn keys. Which turn keys should I remove, what string numbers? Did you keep it with the E A D G B E strings and standard tuning or did you change to another set up on strings? I love alternate tuneing, especially open D, open G, and DADGAD

I have never played lap steel/guitar before, however, I love the sound. I know nothing about tension except what I have read over the last few days and there is all sorts of opinions on the subject. Is there anything to worry about there?

Thanks a lot for your help.
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Old 09-02-2017, 03:12 AM
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I wouldn't bother removing any of the keys, at first. Get a nut extender, string it up, give it a go, see how it works. Get a nut extender, bung it on and see how it goes. There are many fine musicians who play lap slide like this, Kelly Joe Phelps, John Butler for example, (and usually on a 6-string acoustic) - the nut extender will probably be a bit narrower than the 12 string nut but it'll still work. If it works and sounds good then after a bit you can replace nuts, tuners. I just use regular strings (12 or 13s) but many like them heavier for slide.

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Old 09-02-2017, 03:28 AM
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Thank you. John
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:02 AM
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Sorry to bother you again but I would like to know. Remove strings 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 or the even number strings?
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:44 PM
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Leave the thicker strings of the pairs. Or, better yet probably, just buy a regular 6 string set and remove the existing set, if they are still on. They've probably been on there a while!
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Old 09-02-2017, 05:00 PM
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If you're handy just make your own:

http://web.archive.org/web/201603250...:80/page5.html
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Old 09-06-2017, 06:47 AM
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Today I received in the mail my Grover nut, finger picks, and book so I took off 6 strings keeping the heavier ones and tuned it. My new, old 12 string, lap guitar. does not sound too bad but not perfect. I also received a second deliver and received my steel bar, like the ones for a dobro. Now its practice time. Sure feels funny going from bare fingers to finger picks.
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Old 09-25-2017, 05:02 PM
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I started playing Weissenborn about 5 years ago. I now have 2 Pogrebas, a shortscale Lazy River, and A 1925 Knutsen. I haven't played a regular 'spanish' style six string in months! I love lap steel. Addictive! As soon as you master dropping the steel down on the string, string muting behind the bar, tremolo and intonation, it's a blast.

Kelly Jo Phelps lesson here is good
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:58 PM
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I started lap style on a Eastman acoustic with a nut riser. in 2010 I got my weissenborn and haven't looked back, it is addictive.
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:03 AM
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Why bother ? Just go buy a Weissenborn or a resonator square neck.
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