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Old 03-12-2016, 04:56 AM
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Do any of you practice these scales/fingerings? How useful do you find them? I actually play steel string guitar with a pick, but wasn't sure if I should pose the questions here or in "Play".

Also, are the minor scales melodic or are they harmonic up and natural down?

(Sorry, I realized too late I posted in the wrong section, how do I move it to Classical?)

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Old 03-12-2016, 10:57 AM
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Not very useful outside of classical, imho--the built in position shifts do not help someone looking to learn to improvise.
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Old 03-13-2016, 03:13 AM
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What scale format would you recommend? And what type of scales. I like playing the jazz standards and also folk and gospel style of music. Are the caged systems fine or should I work on scales that move up the neck more?
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Old 03-13-2016, 07:54 AM
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Caged is fine, or Leavitt's method.

I learned Leavitt as a teen, but honestly, I use CAGED more. But I don't really view the fretboard in scale patterns, I'm visualizing chord tones for the most part.

But with CAGED, the relationship between the scale and chord are nice and clear.
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Old 03-13-2016, 09:08 AM
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Do any of you practice these scales/fingerings? How useful do you find them? I actually play steel string guitar with a pick, but wasn't sure if I should pose the questions here or in "Play".

Also, are the minor scales melodic or are they harmonic up and natural down?

(Sorry, I realized too late I posted in the wrong section, how do I move it to Classical?)
I practiced them religiously for years as a classical player. They are melodic minors. Playing scales is an important part of technique development for both hands. What scales you chose doesn't matter as much as how you practice them, much like any other technique building exercise.
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Old 03-13-2016, 10:20 AM
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What scale format would you recommend? And what type of scales. I like playing the jazz standards and also folk and gospel style of music. Are the caged systems fine or should I work on scales that move up the neck more?
My initial response is "All of the above and then some". Why limit yourself to a particular type of scale or a single approach? The Segovia scales are obviously an indispensable tool for classical players but they can be useful to guitar players of any style.
The Segovia scale system includes two and three octave majors, harmonic minors (raised 7th up and down) and melodic minors (raised 6th and 7th ascending, both natural descending).
In my experience the more scales we play the better we know the fretboard and understand the tonal connections between scales and chords. Segovia scales, CAGED, pentatonic, blues scales, etc. are all good IMHO.
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Oops! I misspoke above. The Segovia Diatonic Major and Minor scales do not include the harmonic minors, only relative melodic minors. Apologies to anyone troubled by my "senior's moment".
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Old 03-16-2016, 03:36 AM
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Thanks for the input.
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Old 03-19-2016, 12:37 PM
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not to be pedantic but... "wax on, wax off."

Good luck on your journey.

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Old 03-26-2016, 10:05 AM
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Plus, I just watched the utube video "Charlie Byrd - Contemporary Acoustic Jazz Guitar" and that is one of two books he recommends. 2.

He may have known something about the guitar.

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Not very useful outside of classical, imho--the built in position shifts do not help someone looking to learn to improvise.
This is the exact opposite of what Charlie said.

To each their own.
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