Lexicon Native Reverb

rick-slo · #1 04-04-2010, 06:00 PM

This is a shot in the dark but I thought I would ask.

Has anyone here personally tried out the Lexicon Native Reverb?
(you need an iLok device to try the 10 day demo)

http://www.lexiconpro.com/product.php?id=163

If so can you compare it to personal use of one of the
newer hardware Lexicon PCM reverbs?

I am considering it as I liked the demo but I have not
personally compared it to one of their hardware reverbs.

muscmp · #2 04-04-2010, 10:26 PM

other than reading great reviews, i'd sure like to find someone who has had hands-on with it. sounds like a winner to me.

rick-slo · #3 04-04-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by muscmp

other than reading great reviews, i'd sure like to find someone who has had hands-on with it. sounds like a winner to me.

I have used it hands on (10 day demo) and it was very nice but then again I have not used the Lexicon hardward units it is based on.

rick-slo · #4 04-05-2010, 08:59 AM

Yikes, now it see Lexicon is coming out with another native reverb bundle in May, the LXP Native Reverb Plug-in Bundle.
http://www.lexiconpro.com/product.php?id=167
They do not say so far what reverb algorithms this one is based on (eg PCM 70 etc). I guess I will have to demo this when it is out to compare it to the more pricey Lexicon Native bundle.

Pokiehat · #5 04-05-2010, 02:52 PM

Native is exactly the same DSP code as the reverb part of the PCM 96 (with bug fixes). You don't need to believe me either since the lead DSP coder for Native and PCM 96 came on record to say exactly that. He goes by the handle 'Nobody Special' over at Gearslutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...in-bundle.html

(scroll down about 3/4)

runamuck · #6 04-05-2010, 05:59 PM

I use Lexicon Native and it's, by far, the best software reverb I've ever heard.

In most cases I much prefer it over convolution types.

I've never used Lexicon hardware so I can't compare.

rick-slo · #7 04-05-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokiehat

Native is exactly the same DSP code as the reverb part of the PCM 96 (with bug fixes). You don't need to believe me either since the lead DSP coder for Native and PCM 96 came on record to say exactly that. He goes by the handle 'Nobody Special' over at Gearslutz: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...in-bundle.html

(scroll down about 3/4)

I know the code is the same although something may come up going in and out of the box, obviously if you I/O via analog, perhaps via digital.

Pokiehat · #8 04-06-2010, 04:03 AM

If you know the code is the same then why are you asking this question?

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if you I/O via analog, perhaps via digital.

You can send a signal out and back in multiple times and it won't make any difference that you can hear as long as the samplerate and bit depth are the same. If its digital i/o then it makes absolutely no difference at all, real or otherwise.

rick-slo · #9 04-06-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokiehat

If you know the code is the same then why are you asking this question?

You can send a signal out and back in multiple times and it won't make any difference that you can hear as long as the samplerate and bit depth are the same. If its digital i/o then it makes absolutely no difference at all, real or otherwise.

No reason to be argumentative. I acutally wanted to hear from someone who had hands on used both. Also the Native Reverb uses code derived (not exactly the same) from the 480 and 224x as well as the PCM 96. Casey from Lexicon said himself that the sound may be affected by the I/Os and the dsp processing in the hardware unit versus computer cpu. I expect them to be quite close in sound but sill hands on use of both in a direct comparison by someone who has done that would be interesting to hear about.