Difference between Eastman pagelli models

[Bluemonk]

Originally Posted by Spook

Don't know if it's your intent and I don't seek to create a strawman to argue for or against, but it seems you are struggling for something negative to say about Yunzhi. However, your lack of insight seems to be representing something of an impediment in this endeavor. Why not just take vicarious pleasure in the fact that those of us who have these guitars enjoy them and form your technical opinions after you've had a chance to handle a few?

I didn't see that intent at all. Seems to me his point is that they are two different makers. Santa Cruz is often likened to Martin. Would you agree that it is disingenuous to say there is no difference.

[Spook]

Originally Posted by Bluemonk

I didn't see that intent at all. Seems to me his point is that they are two different makers. Santa Cruz is often likened to Martin. Would you agree that it is disingenuous to say there is no difference.

There are differences.. but they are not in designs, wood, or woodworking. If you had an Eastman 9xx and a Yunzhi in the same place, I believe you would be surprised at how similar they are. And how similar they both are to a Benedetto Manhattan. If you wish to constrain 'the same' to exclude 'quite comparable' that's fine, but it's pedantic. They certainly address the same set of player requirements with the same design, materials, quality and features (excluding some awful electronics Eastman used to have and Yunzhi still does).


As for the reading intent when there is none, not sure I agree. but I am sorry if this is the case and I'll shut up now.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by jimmy bookout

Yunzhis are NOT the same as Eastmans.

Jimmy

didn't you use to (or still do) own a eastman pagelli?

[jimmy bookout]

Originally Posted by Spook

Actually, Yunzhi isn't copying Eastman. They are both building copies of Benedetto designs. They were doing this before the company split and before Eastman became popular. In truth, with the exception of some odd special models, they are as equivalent as two guitar factories could be. The differences are things like nitro formulations (Yunzhi is better) and hardware (Eastman is better). There aren't differences in basic design, wood, or woodworking. Of course, if you measure quality by the features you get like the quality of the binding, bound F holes, ebony overlays on the back of the headstock, and features on demand like ports, Yunzhi's are much nicer guitars.

Don't know if it's your intent and I don't seek to create a strawman to argue for or against, but it seems you are struggling for something negative to say about Yunzhi. However, your lack of insight seems to be representing something of an impediment in this endeavor. Why not just take vicarious pleasure in the fact that those of us who have these guitars enjoy them and form your technical opinions after you've had a chance to handle a few?

Exactly HOW sensitive are you about this? I made a simple statement that they are not the same....didn't say (or imply) that Eastman is better.
I said they are NOT the same because they are NOT (not built in the same factory, not built by the same luthiers, etc). Listen, you're happy with them, I am happy for you. In at least one instance, Yunzhi does copy Eastman....Yunzhi makes a copy of the Eastman John Pisano model...same headstock design, same tailpiece design, etc.

Since you THINK I am being negative, let me give you something that actually is (was) negative about Yunzhi...their initial use of a photo of a Monteleone Grand Artist guitar (that they copied...I believe you have one) on THEIR website. Everybody copies everybody, that's the nature of the guitar business, but using a photo of a Monteleone was extremely bad form.

And now, back to the ORIGINAL question about EASTMAN Pagellis. The PG2 has nicer woods (more figure) than a PG1. I would imagine they are tonally identical.

Jimmy

[jimmy bookout]

Originally Posted by mc1

didn't you use to (or still do) own a eastman pagelli?

Still do, a very cool guitar.

Jimmy

[jimmy bookout]

Originally Posted by matthewpartrick

http://www.eastmanguitars.com/pagelli-signature-series/

Are the differences purely cosmetic?

Also, they seem like a good deal. Anyone own one?

I have been party to derailing this thread, I am sorry for that.
The difference between the Pagellis (PG1 and PG2) are cosmetic. I would guess they sound the same.

Here's my PG2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwSIXrfMqA4

Jimmy

[mc1]

Originally Posted by jimmy bookout

Still do, a very cool guitar.

Jimmy

somehow i missed it the first time i skimmed your list.

Originally Posted by jimmy bookout

I have been party to derailing this thread, I am sorry for that.
The difference between the Pagellis (PG1 and PG2) are cosmetic. I would guess they sound the same.

Here's my PG2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwSIXrfMqA4

Jimmy

thanks for the link. sounds good, cool tune.

[Spook]

Originally Posted by jimmy bookout

Exactly HOW sensitive are you about this?

Enough to provide factual information based on my years of doing business with Yunzhi and all of the Eastmans I've played. I've been told that some find it helpful. I do not care enough, however, to argue with strangers in a forum.

[jimmy bookout]

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[CoolerKing]

Originally Posted by jimmy bookout

I have been party to derailing this thread, I am sorry for that.
The difference between the Pagellis (PG1 and PG2) are cosmetic. I would guess they sound the same.

Here's my PG2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwSIXrfMqA4

Jimmy

No prob. Thanks for the YT clip, gives me a good idea of what's going on.