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You might want to read the opening post to this thread: http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/f...=1#post5661972 Last edited by Herb Hunter; 03-07-2018 at 04:36 PM. Reason: Addition of link. |
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One set out of two does not support a conclusion of one sustaining longer than the other . While it may or may not be true, that V bracing sustains longer or shorter, however the posted test appears to have too many variables at play , to objectively address that question.
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I've never experienced a wah effect from capo'ing above the 5th fret. I'd love to hear some examples of this phenomenon. Maybe it's like the warbling and wavering on all non-V guitars.
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I have experienced and pondered the dampening on certain pitches when approaching the 'resonant frequency(ies) of a guitar (any guitar). A kind-of phase cancellation thing? I can buy that there could be some benefit from fine tuning in that area. Maybe that's really what the claims sort of boil down to. If so, I'm in (to an extent.)
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There are no meters. These are digital sound recordings. I just look at the numbers stored in the file. You are right that a nonlinear response of the microphone (compression) can be a source of error, but if that is the case, the whole sustain discussion takes an entirely new direction. Quote:
Having said this, I have been surprised to see how Taylor is hyping the paradigm that “more sustain is always better”. I don’t agree at all here! I solely own Taylor Grand Concerts, because I prefer their shorter, more ‘uke-like’ sustain. Most Taylors, even when their tone is beautiful, have already too much sustain for my playing style. It makes me feel like I lose control and the guitar does its own thing.
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Then there is the story of the coupled resonators. I think the remarks made in this thread are a little too easy, because the arguments seem to come from simple two-resonator models. A guitar has at least 4 coupled resonators, which is more complicated to model and predict. I have tuned several of my guitars close to resonant frequencies of the top, and played scales around those resonant frequencies in order to find any deviations. Interestingly, I discovered that the exact pitch of each fretted note quite easily changed from note to note if I was not very careful fretting each position with exactly the same force and angle. In other words, just 'playing guitar' - at least in my case - causes intonation issues on every single fret! In practice, however, I compensate for this all the time. If I played very carefully, fretting each note with equal force and taking care not to bend the string sideways, etc., all notes were perfect on the spectrometer. Even when some of the fretted notes were close to resonant frequencies of the top. My conclusion is that none of the guitars I tested (all X-braced Taylors and Martins) have intonation problems, despite the X-bracing. The more I think of this whole intonation story, the more I believe Taylor invented a solution that does not work for a problem that does not exist.
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Wow, you go deep. Sounds like a huge gamble on Taylor's part. Sure Hope it works out.
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When I did an exponential fit in the amplitudes of the WAV files there was no difference indeed. In order to show this to the folks on the AGF I normalized both files and created the video with the two level indicators (not everybody here will be comfortable with exponential fitting). And again, I saw no difference. But in essence these are just two recordings of a guitar being strummed, one on the left channel, and one on the right channel. Maybe you should just start by listening to the left and right channel only, and decide if you hear a difference in decay. Happy Easter to you!
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Then did you manually by sight , time align them to start at approximately the same time and stack them into two different 1/2 s of a stereo track, WUWT ?????? Quote:
I just can't see all these questions and possible anomalies as being particularly valid science. Stereo or mono--- levels run through normalization ???--- no control over possible arbitrary fretting pressure differences--- no control over arbitrary finger pull off times ---- introducing unnecessary algorithms --- all creating numerous variables ....Sorry I just can't see this as science or valid proof of much of anything . And as you say if you feel your choices of guitar is based on just the right amount of sustain it is curious that you go to the trouble to test and post, Kind of feels more like agenda and crusade than objective research And yes happy easter
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