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We have three rescued cats. Great friends they are.
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OK. I stand corrected. Let me abridge my previous comments that I would never adopt an outdoor cat ever again - especially a male cat. We have had spayed females for the most part but the two males we had (at separate times) would always get into fights when we let them out and spray in the house if we tried to restrict them. Eventually they would wander off, never to be seen again. Though we worried about what may have happened to them ultimately life without them was much simpler.
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We outgrew our affection for cats when we lived in the 'burbs. Today, I go broke during the summer feeding the birds and squirrels. Living adjacent to a national forest is wonderful. It's a small community built where cats don't last long, particularly during winter. Natures predators are always on the prowl.. Huge 20 - 30lb square heads roam the area. Those are feral Tom cats that we're always trying to remove.
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I grew up with a dog and a cat and as they came along shortly after I was born, I thought of them as my brother and sister.
I have not lived a lifestyle suitable for a dog, but have had cats most of my life. the first one, after I left home (my mum loved cats) was a feral kitten. We caught it probably too young to leave it's mother but she had an enormous littler and would not take food from us. That frail little bundle of fluff lived with me in the evenings and weekends and in my fathers shop during the day cruising up and down his couter, and the busy London road outside. She moved with me to a one bed flat in Hertfordshire for a bout five years and had its throat ripped and its tail broken (the vet later congratulated me on the stitches I did on her the throat). Then she moved south with me - She lived until she was 21. We got a friend's Burmese tom - (I've still got the scars) then when he died, we got an "ex Queen" (breeders wear them out them want to dispose of them, and we saw ourselves as an old people's home for old lady cats. We had two Queens and the last one was deaf - so the conversations were amusing. but our last one another tom, was a delight - the most chatty one ever. He became ill and died just as my cancer treatment was starting this April - That was hard because I knew he would have been a comfort. We haven't got another yet - thinking that I need to get well enough to take Jane on a cruise or something when I'm well enough. My allotment is running out of grave room! Funny, I still hear him coming through the locked cat flaps and we both see his shadow from time to time. My lovely vet once said that oriental breeds were like Italian cars - beautiful, but there was always something wrong with them.
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But first some qualifiers that should not be ignored : Outdoor cats, feral, stray or pets let out to roam uncontrolled , That are not actual native wild species ( bobcat, lynx, mountain lion ) are not-- repeat (NOT) any kind of indigenous species . They are an invasive species period . As emotionally disconcerting as the idea might be (particularly with charismatic mega- fauna) . The idea that invasive species should be controlled or removed from the environment, is in fact a valid position ecologically and biologically speaking. Now how that might be implemented is a whole other different subject of discussion so I won't go there. The notion of capture neuter and adopt is a great notion. However the notion of capture neuter and release feral or stray cats (as good as it may feel) is a fundamentally flawed notion from a biological/environment standpoint. They actually do not belong roaming the environment in the first place , neutered or other wise . Also I am curious, the idea that fixed cats prevent non fixed cats from moving into an area, is a researched fact of territorial behavior, or a supposition based loosely on prototypical territorial behavior ? And then also, even if correct while perhaps serving to somewhat limit overall total numbers still does not address the fundamental issue of an invasive species being in the environment of an area . Now in full disclosure I am not a cat person (that is to say we do not own or care for any cats) but I am not anti cat either. I am actually very much a "critter person", I am much more drawn to most animals than people, and find most critters more interesting than most people. So I do completely understand that people are drawn to cats. But just as I do not believe that that feral or stray dogs belong in the environment and should be controlled where possible. I believe the same of cats
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I don't dislike cats, although I'm very allergic to them, but I think cat owners should have to take as much responsibility for their pets as dog owners do. |
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Now, having said that, the same could be said about the birds that people are feeding at their feeders. We have about 10 different bird feeders and a majority of the birds I see there are invasive species. Always a tricky discussion....
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I wholeheartedly agree and think that may be the cruxt of the issue. Some, not all and perhaps not many, cat owners seem to feel that cats enjoy some sort of eminent domain to wander around unfettered, simply because they are cats. I think that is why some urban areas have become havens for strays, feral cats, and others just out for a stroll and a roll in the hay....
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This is pretty much what we deal with in my neighborhood... Far too many free wheelin' house cats let out to dig up flowers, crap in the flower beds and dine on the songbirds, before strolling home to be let in for the night.. But while we're on the topic of pets, I've encountered another nuisance about them that I've had to kindly explain to my pet loving friends... I'm not one to ever drop by someone's home unannounced, no matter how close we are...if I'm there, I've been invited, and I'm expected... But when I'm your guest, please do not allow your dog to jump on me, slobber on me, or hump my leg... On the same note, I don't enjoy your cat brushing up against my legs, covering me with fur, and especially, I'm not there to provide another lap for the cat to sprawl across... The vast majority of my friends know how I feel about it, and contain or restrain their pets while I'm a guest, and harbor no ill will against me because of my feelings on the subject...we're friends.. I've also had a very few folks over the years get offended and want to go to great length to "educate" me that their pets are family, the house is as much the pets home as the family's, how dare you, etc etc,, and this is where I politely excuse myself and leave...at that point I'm fully aware that those people have drawn the line in the sand, and we're not friends anymore... C'est la vie... Just a little common courtesy, please... |
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Grew up with dogs, but found how cool cats are when my father-in-law left us his small house if we promised to take care of his cat. I guess he thought we'd just let him go.
Have had a bunch since. Of course, one of them just cost me $800. I had sold a guitar on Reverb and was getting ready to ship it. Pulled the case out and one of the darn felines had used it for a liter box. It proved impossible to get the odor out, so I had to send the guy back the money with some extra for not checking that out sooner. Oh, well. Cats are still cool. |
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As hard-hearted as this may sound, the solution is for cat owners to maintain their animals so as not to interfere with neighbors' enjoyment of their own property. Feral, roaming and other free range domestic house cats should be caught, kept for adoption and then destroyed if unwanted...
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I am a bit surprised by what it seems like cat haters here, calling for the destruction of feral cats. What about roaming dogs? Or dogs on leashes, where the owner thinks it is ok for their dog to take a huge dump on my lawn, then walk away like nothing happened.
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