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There have been more than a few posts that claim that their HPL Martin has "that Martin sound" so it can't be the wood. Maybe part of it is that the name on the headstock creates an expectation so that's what we hear?
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Are you sure?
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What is the top made of?
How thick is it? What is the finish? How thick is it? What is the bracing pattern? What are the braces made of? What is the bracing shape? Mass? What are the back and sides made of? How thick? What is the neck made of? How thick is the neck? How much mass? Kerfling? I am not sure. Glue type? How much? I am not sure. How precise is their manufacturing? By the way, just when I think I understand the formula, I play an example that negates my preconceived notions. For example, I have owned several Hummingbirds, and had felt that the lighter the model, the better the tone is to my ears. And then I played a heavy one from a weight perspective...
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No. I think any builder that has the technology and skill (like Taylor, Collings ,etc.,) can take apart a Martin and copy it exactly. But they all want their "own" sound. There is no secret sauce in the making of a guitar. I think Taylor is actually trying to go in an opposite direction don't you think? Martin has mastered its guitar sound/tone....
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Forward shifting braces has been around for a while on some Martin guitars. From what I understand changes were made many years ago to adjust for higher tension strings. So they are going back to the "Old Days" Not a Martin expert so I could be wrong.
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If someone wants a Martin for name, sound, build or whatever.... there’s only one. I believe whole-heartedly that companies that “copy” Martin would absolutely copy the sound if they could. |
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I think a lot of a guitar's sound comes from the shape of the braces more than their position, wood thickness, and finish type/thickness. |
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I never said that Taylor tried to copy Martin other than the fact they all use(d) the x bracing. I just said that if they wanted I believe that any big time builder could replicate another builders' tone... I DID NOT say that Taylor tried to or is trying to .... Taylor is going in the opposite direction. That's ridiculous to say they couldn't do it. Martin did it with the authentics by x raying them and building to exact specigfications... outside of the natural aging process. The technology today with computers/lasers/etc (which most big builders use) can copy anything.
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I don’t know much about guitar construction and how all the components affect tone, but was wondering why the type of neck joint doesn’t get much attention in terms of tone. Is it the least contributing factor for tone?
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oh it definitely gets attention. People on both sides (bolt on vs dove tail) swear by their technique that it affects tone for the better.
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I have several and if I play them with a .73 celluloid pick and a 4mm Casein pick, they sound totally different, as-in little or no similarity. Add in the tones from fingerstyle players with or without thumb picks and fingerpicks and any given model might sound very different.
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Without being a luthier, I can’t pinpoint exactly what it is that makes Martins sound the way they do. But it is a combination of everything that has to do with their construction and wood selection. I love the Martin sound for some types of music, particularly their rosewood dreadnoughts for bluegrass and acoustic rock. But, the so called Martin sound is a bit of an overgeneralization to me. D28’s don’t sound the same as a D18 for example. They do both have that imbalanced strong bass and bright highs. But the don’t really have the same sound. The same could be said for other body styles. To complicate it even more, two D18’s don’t necessarily sound the same either.
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Not sure , I'm not a guitar builder, all I know is that they are building excellent playing and sounding guitars and I have never regretted buying my Jeff Tweedy . The quality of the woods and workmanship are first rate
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It's obvious that Pre-War guitars have copied Martin guitars and make guitars as good as the best Martin guitars. The entrenched die hard vintage Martin good old boys have spoken with their hard earned money by being the first in line purchasing them. And so far I'm not seeing any used ones pop up on the market.
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