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Convolution Reverb Questions
I've been recording a lot of solo guitar lately, and word on the street is that a convolution reverb is great for natural, acoustic instruments. I'm definitely ready to find some alternatives to the pre-packaged reverbs in Pro Tools.
I looked at Altiverb - and immediately looked away when I saw the price! Plus, I don't think I meet the processing reqs. Waves IR-1 seems more within my budget. I actually used it once, many years ago, probably Ver. 1, so I know a little bit about how these reverbs work. Opinions? Recommendations? Is the current IR-1worth it? Are there other alternatives out there? Also, more generally speaking, if you do use convolution reverbs, what are your favorite kinds of spaces, and for what kinds of instruments... |
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I have both Altiverb and Waves IR convolution reverbs. They're both nice, particularly Altiverb. If you get the Waves verb, also get the extra impulse responses that you can buy separately.
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As far as convolution reverbs I currently use Waves IR and Voxengo Pristine Space. Waves IR tends somehow to be a bit darker and thicker sounding on the same impulse responses compared to other convolution reverbs I have tried. Good impulse responses are as important or more so than anything else. What I use most is a good set of them based on sampling from a Bricasti M7 - here http://www.samplicity.com/bricasti-m7-impulse-responses.
Not convolution software but very smooth is a brand new reverb from LiquidSonics - Seventh Heaven. Is is also based on the Bricasti M7. Here: https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/seventh-heaven/
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I used to use the Waves IR quite a bit and it is a pretty good verb.
But I now have a Bricasti M7 and sonics produced by the Bricasti algorithms are really nice, it is all I use , so if I did not have the hardware I would consider the Liquid Sonics Seventh Heaven
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Waves will give you a 7 day demo of any of their plugs. I'd give it a try and see how you like it.
While you're at it, grab the Waves H-Reverb & compare the 2. I've been liking that one lately.
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I've tried a lot of convolution plugins, and I like the idea. But the reverbs I prefer are not convolution. On the high end, the Bricasti M7 hardware is pretty tough to beat. The TC Electronic VSS3 plugin is fantastic as are the Lexicon Native reverbs. And if you have UAD hardware, there are a bunch of plugins there that are terrific as well. I have IRs for Bricasti, TC 6000, and Lexicon. They're nice, and some are free, but somehow the other reverbs just have something extra. I use these all for solo guitar.
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Then as another example of the trend of "into the box" you have PCM Native Reverb versus the Lexicon hardware units. Is Bricasti M7 next? Do you use its analog in/outs or do you keep it all digital?
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I'm sure we have probably discussed this before but I forget, is there one particular preset you like on solo guitar, and do you change any parameters on it ? For me (because I do vocals also )Now days I pretty much use the Sunset Chamber for both voc and guitar and any other instruments that I might want verb on , with the pre-delay parameter adjusted to 60 ms. I do this one size fits all , because it brings some cohesiveness, sounds so good and probably because I am lazy, and I can use it on multiple sources in real time, without have to print it.
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Are you guys putting reverb on the recorded track itself or on an aux track?
I've found that I get much better results setting up an aux track for the reverb, then finding the right balance of the non-verb and verbed tracks. That also allows me to eq just the reverb where I usually like to roll off some bottom end and occasionally some top end. As for what reverbs I like... Altiverb is excellent but expensive, as the OP said. I got lucky and found someone selling their license for about a third off, but even with that discount it was expensive. I also like a couple of non-convolution reverbs from Eventide: Tverb and Ultrareverb. I've also used Valhalla Vintage Verb (not as often since I've added the others I've mentioned) and that one is great value at $50.
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Jim.
I almost always set up reverb on an aux track and send to it . I started doing this fairly early on, because it was how Dave Martin (a Nashville area based engineer, producer, studio owner) , did it when I recorded some demo tracks with him. Generally (unless I want a very noticeable pronounced effect) I put time domain FX on aux tracks, and only put compression and or eq on the individual audio or midi tracks
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That's become my preferred method as well but I only got to that point about 18 months ago.
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One school of thought goes that everything sent through the same aux to the same reverb gives a sense of cohesiveness. It doesn't sound like one or two people doing overdubs, it's more like a band all playing together in a room. This may be true, and it may be what you want. But it isn't the only way to make a record, it may not be the best way to present the song, and it may not be "how you hear it in your head." Main thing is, we have both methods available to us, and they both have their merits. For someone like me who started recording way back when, the 2017 options for doing it are pretty cool. Last edited by Brent Hahn; 10-06-2017 at 10:23 AM. |
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Always on an aux and always after an EQ to tailor the reverb response.
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