Help - Bm7sus4?

[dovehawk1]

Can anyone give me the fingering for a Bm7sus4 chord?

Thanks!

[JedimasterPaul]

I'll take a crack at this:

in standard tuning,

x24252

that's a barre chord at the 2nd fret, I use the 3rd finger to grab the F# on the D string, and my pinky to grab the E on the B string.

the notes, from low to high, would be B F# A E F#.

the only thing missing here is a D note (3rd),


edited - come to think of it, I think my chord spelling is a B7sus4

[Phantoj]

How about x24200?

B F# A B E

1 5 b7 1 4

I'm a little confused by the "Bm7sus4" tag. "Sus" means that the third is suspended (i.e. deleted) and a fourth is played instead of the third. And if the third is suspended, why would you call it a minor?

[JedimasterPaul]

mapletrees could clear this up.

[shane]

maybe by chance you mean Bm7add4? in which case x24230 would work just fine.

[beach bob]

Phantoj & shane make good points. There's no asurance the person that wrote the chart is as sharp as, say, mapletees

That said, I'd go w/ shane's voicing: x24230

[lovethemgeetars]

I'd just go with Bm. (i don't play anything after the first two letters/numbers.)

[Phantoj]

Originally Posted by shane

maybe by chance you mean Bm7add4? in which case x24230 would work just fine.

Wouldn't it be more standard to say "Bm7add11"?

Bm7add11 or Bm7add4 would contain:

1 root
b3 minor third
4 (a.k.a. 11th)
5th
b7 flatted seventh

[shane]

Originally Posted by Phantoj

Wouldn't it be more standard to say "Bm7add11"?

Bm7add11 or Bm7add4 would contain:

1 root
b3 minor third
4 (a.k.a. 11th)
5th
b7 flatted seventh

i dont find it anymore beneficial to call the 4th the 11th... its the same note.. just a different octave.

[Phantoj]

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I'm just saying that "add11" used more often - and therefore more standard - than "add4". As you pointed out, both mean the same thing.

[Phantoj]

I have been thinking/looking up stuff about this and am starting to think that maybe you are right with the "add4" designation - that's it's more standard than I thought and it does indicate that the added 4 is in the same octave as the root.

[gdgross]

Originally Posted by JedimasterPaul

I'll take a crack at this:

in standard tuning,

x24252

that's a barre chord at the 2nd fret, I use the 3rd finger to grab the F# on the D string, and my pinky to grab the E on the B string.

the notes, from low to high, would be B F# A E F#.

the only thing missing here is a D note (3rd),


edited - come to think of it, I think my chord spelling is a B7sus4

Actually, if it's a sus4 chord, then you would raise the 3rd to a 4th and omit the third altogether. Your voicing is what I'd put on an exam!

Of course, the best voicing for the origianl question totally depends on the context...

[gdgross]

Originally Posted by Phantoj

How about x24200?

B F# A B E

1 5 b7 1 4

I'm a little confused by the "Bm7sus4" tag. "Sus" means that the third is suspended (i.e. deleted) and a fourth is played instead of the third. And if the third is suspended, why would you call it a minor?

You'd call it minor sus because you'd resolve the suspension to a minor 3rd. Even though the actual third isn't played when the chord is suspended, the suspension is relative to the resolution, even if the suspension never resolves. You'd probably be able to hear that it's a minor quality based on the context, anyway.

[mapletrees]

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhh!


why would anyone think mapletrees knows the answer to anything???!?!??!?




...I've never been clear at all on the 'proper' use of sus,4,add4,11,add11, etc....

...used to have a book called Harmony for Guitarists lying around...a red book...I think the author was Lance Boseman (Bosman?)...a theory book geared towards classical guitarists...

one thing to keep in mind is that the language of music theory developed to describe classical music - not what's happening in a Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, or Dave Mathyooze song, etc.....

the formal definition of suspension is directly tied into to the concept of melody and timing...in classical guitar you'd *in general* have some sort of distinct bassline of notes, some sort of fill notes, and some sort of upper distinct melody notes...the melody and/or the fill and/or the bass might rhthymically get 'out of sync' with one another (a melody note might ring into a chord where it doesn't really 'belong', or a melody note might get played against a chord where it doesn't really belong) and create a temporary dissonance that then gets resolved by the lines of notes moving to more consonant intervals....the general expected flow and agreement between the melody and the harmony gets 'suspended' and then the notes all get back in sync with one another...


the point being...

in typical modern acoustic/rock/folk/pop music notes are often thrown in to chords to create an effect....and the resolution and movement of those chords often doesn't follow anything like the normal and typical 'rules' of classical music....

as a result, naming chords can become quite a bit murky, especially when no context is given...

and remember, speaking the Queen's English perfectly may or may not be of much help depending on where your car breaks down...

understanding all the different ways people might 'mispeak' is probably as important as being able to speak good....goodly?...

well, I don't know...





I do know that in that book the expression 'minor sus' is used as gdgross pointed out.....

ex) xx32x0 might get called D min sus if Dmin xx323x were to follow...




so, in a nutshell, you don't have much to add, do you Daddy?

who invited you into this, young lady??!?!?!?!?!??!??!?


I guess x2x200 could be called Bm7sus4 if followed by a Bmin as say

x2442x or whatever...

edit.....that Bm should be x2443x of course....

[Manzanita]

Ummm, are we gonna be tested on this?