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The short answer is that it doesn't appear that the OP's guitar has that, or it is marginal. The shorter answer is that in all probability, he'll need a neck reset, or bridge shave - if the bridge has sufficient thickness to allow it - sooner than later. It is difficult to predict which guitars will need a neck reset and when they will need it. Quote:
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Neck angle is perfect. You have a tall bridge, and that seems to have been unnecessary. You are measuring 13/32" bridge (wood only) height at the low E, so about 7/16" at the center (which is where bridge height should be measured). Saddle height over the bridge is great. Relief is great. If you were to bring the action down to what many people consider standard--6/64 and 4/64 (I personally like to set a guitar up to 5/64 and 4/64) you would be taking 1/32 off the saddle at the high E, leaving 1/16" of saddle exposed. That is about as little saddle exposure as you ought to have. But you have about 1/16-3/32" more bridge than is needed. Martin uses 3 different bridge heights to compensate for variation in neck set angle. Your guitar got their tallest one, when it should have gotten the middle one. The fix is an easy one for any competent tech (these are in shorter supply than they ought to be, so be careful if you get the work done): take the bridge down by about 1/16" and the saddle by about 1/32" (maybe a bit less on the bass side, depending on how you play). You shouldn't have to do this on a new guitar. You may choose to return it and swap for one with a more ideal setup. But if this guitar speaks to you, it can be made right with bridge and saddle shaving, which are not a big deal. If you have the work done, have it done only by an authorized Martin repair shop (need not be a dealer) to avoid any warranty issues in the future. I didn't take the time to read all other replies, in case someone already covered all this.
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Lots of really great input here guys. Thanks so much, lots of considerations I never would have even thought of. I guess the heart of my question is "Is there any reason given my measurements that it would be inadvisable to hang onto this guitar?"
I really like everything about this one except that the setup is a hair high from the factory. The straight-edge test tipped me off that I should ask better minds for some advice. If it can be brought down to where I'd like without trouble and nothing about my measurements screams that there's something drastically wrong, then I'm just wondering if anything about the guitar screams "foolish" if I were to hold onto it. |
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Per Howard's excellent input, your guitar's issue isn't that the neck on yours wasn't set to the correct angle, it's that the assembler grabbed the wrong bridge for that neck angle - if the next-lowest-thickness bridge had been used, instead, then your guitar would easily pass the straightedge test. I don't know if bridge-grabbing is a by-the-book measurement, or a judgment call for the operator. If you had your measurements, but with a shorter (LOWER!, scream many) bridge already installed, then that might be a different issue. I mentioned Godin and noted they, too, use different-height bridges. I've got an A & L Ami that's in your Martin's position - straightedge hits 1/64 below the bridge top and the low E is just a smidge under 1/2" off the top. The bridge height appears thick at 12/32 - to get my preferred 5/64 low E action, the saddle midpoint is only 3/32 exposed at the middle, which is insufficient by most standards. By comparison, the Taylor next to it easily passes the straightedge test, and its bridge height is 3/32 lower, at 9/32. The Taylor's low E sits only 13/32 off the deck with low E action of 5/64 requiring a 5/64 saddle exposure (sufficient). Arguably, the Taylor should have had a slightly taller bridge affixed. |
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Guitars from the factory are IMO a tad high to start with, but..... they have to be shipped around the world, stored in the most unforgiving enviroments and then be displayed and ready for sale straight out of the box. So manufacturers have a tendency to set a smidgen high. For disclosure, I am a Warranty repair agent for Martins Distributors in my locality, occasionally we get one or two guitars come in with a high action necessitating a neck reset, this is a rarity but it does happen with most manufacturers. Straight edge under tension shooting just shy of the top of the bridge is fine. Have a competent person near you tweak the action to suit you. It is the best money you can spend, its crazy when people buy 2000-10000 dollar guitars and wont go that extra 60-100 dollars to have it professionally setup for them. Even if you can set the guitar up yourself, get someone that does it for a living to do the first one, then you know what your guitar is truly capable off and it sets a base line for you to adjust to from then on. Steve
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Thanks to everyone for their insight. |