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Wouldn't it similar for a Black Ice Rainsong? A soundboard of different weaves cemented together in different orientations etc, seems it would change the tone but, I don't think it does and neither does Rainsong I believe. The differences are so small if they are there, that you can't tell any difference. But it's cool!
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Benderman's testimony pretty well speaks to the fact that there appears to be little or no difference in sound between the CF and CF/Veneer Emerald guitars.
I think Ted's testimony speaks to Rainsong's continual R&D in controlling and managing sound. All in all, the CF makers are a heavy duty crew, exploring new frontiers and giving us some sweet options. |
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My guess for the Emeralds is that there is a measurable (statistically significant) difference (assuming we can gather a large enough sample) between the sound characteristics of the woodies and artisan X20s but there is no measurable difference between the artisan and the opus variety. I would also guess that there is no discernible difference (practical difference) between the woody variety and other varieties (as already commented on by Benderman).
This is pretty close to what I do for my day job, so it's TIME TO SET UP AN EXPERIMENT to put this question to bed assuming we can get a sensitive enough dosimeter and/or frequency analyzer, a dozen or so of each guitar type preferably from similar batch-years and a quiet enough location to do the testing. Obviously we will need the same strings and set up across all guitars. These sort of experiments are often pretty fun and might even warrant a paper or two or at least a good story over a pint about how we ended up with 3 dozen guitars. Anybody want to set up the go fund me? ...crickets...
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That's one way of doing it. Rather than go fund, I think I'll just go buy a woody and check it out. |
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Looking at the posts till now, it seems to me there's really been only one rock solid, irrefutable post on this thread regarding veneers. That comes from benderman57:
"I own a regular X20 Artisan and a Woody Cocobolo X20. With the exact same strings on them I can not tell a difference. I'm not saying there might not be a slight difference but nothing my ears or anyone else around me can hear." Good enough for me. IMHO, no other comments carry the weight of this one. He owns and plays both. This is the gold standard comment regarding Emerald veneers, period. If I fell in love with the look of one of Emerald's veneers, I wouldn't give a second thought or hesitate a moment about placing an order in that direction. |
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It is a bit like navigation: I've driven vessels where multiple GPS systems are used... they are all very close, but not exact, to each other. The difference is insignificant, but measurable. If you need to know exactly where you are, just use one GPS.
I have one X20. It sounds great. If it can be shown that a non-woody sounds ________ (pick one: warmer, crisper, louder, quieter, woodier, non-woodier, bluesier, bassier, hairier, bigger, smaller, blah, blah), mine will still sound great. When buying any guitar from afar, there are expectations... and when it arrives, and it is as good as you hoped, relief. This X20 vaulted over my other guitars, wood and carbon fiber, as "my favorite." Must be the wood veneer. |