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speaker for Ampeg Jet II
looking for replacement speaker in a J12-R Ampeg Jet II reissue. I only have 4.8 inches of clearance in this little amp, that's 121mm which limits my choices:
1. Celestion V Type 2. Celestion 70/80 3. Eminence Legend 1275 4. Eminence Patriot Black Powder--(discontinued?) 5.Weber F 100--(discontinued?) 6. Reverend All tone 1250 any help would be appreciated, I play rock, blues, and jazz, my budget is around $100.00, thanks---
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Check out the neodymium-magnet offerings from Eminence (Lil' Texas/Tonkerlite), right on your $100 budget; although they're officially listed @ 5.1" depth the magnet assembly is substantially smaller than a traditional ceramic speaker, and just based on visual estimation should shave at least an inch off the total depth where it's needed most. Fellow Ampeg guy here, BTW - still own an original top-panel Rocket (no 'verb) from 1964 - and I'd stay with an American-voiced speaker, especially with the EL84 power tubes they used in the reissue 15W Jets...
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Lil' Texas is a nice speaker for clean Jensen tones.
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I have the same amp. I replaced that crapy stock speaker with the stock Fender speaker from a Hot Rod Deluxe amp. Cant remember the exact name of the speaker.
I cant believe they would use such a sub-standard speaker in those amps. Replacing it with anything results in a huge improvement in tone.
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Had a STS speaker in there for 15 years, don't know who makes them but too much mids and no highs. Running it right now through a cabinet with 2 Peavy Scorpions that sounds amazing but I am not lugging all of this to a gig.
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Thanks Steve for the recommendation, need to sell my Jenson C12K if anyone is interested--before I buy a new one. How about the Weber DT12?
https://www.tedweber.com/dt12#
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Forget any Brit-voiced stuff - if you like what you hear you need an "American" speaker, period; BTW, those Scorpions are way better than most people give them credit for - almost like a budget JBL/EV - they were always the first mod I made on any Peavey amp I ever owned and, quite frankly, if you can make it fit you might want to consider installing a current model in your Ampeg. FYI this one's actually the old '80s Scorpion Plus - heavier magnet, Kevlar cone - under a different name (the "SP" designation gives it away - the original "S" is long since discontinued), and although it's nowhere near as efficient it'll fatten up your low end like an Eminence Swamp Thang (my first choice, if you can make it work). Really did wonders for my mid-80's Studio Pro 40 and Bandit 65 FWIW, and I used the 10" version in my '90s Studio Pro 110 "roadtrip" amp (kept it in the trunk, brought a solidbody electric for unplugged hotel-room practice, and sat in with local bands where/whenever possible)...
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So the Weber DT12 is a Brit- voiced speaker? I am all confused now, what about the Eminence Lil Texas? My cabinet has one speaker that's a Scorpion Plus and the other one is just a Scorpion, and yes its got that funky fat sound ripping through it. I gigged it a lot with my Music Man HD-130 head for years after my cabinet with JBL E-120s were stolen from my car, don't miss lugging that beast around.
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Never played/heard a Weber DT12 so I can't say - I was addressing my comments to your observations about the Peavey Scorpion - but as TNO mentioned the Lil' Texas gives you Jensen-style tones, to which I'll add that it does so with higher efficiency and far-lighter weight than your comparably power-rated C12K. In the big picture it all depends on what you want out of your amp: if you're using it as a (relatively) low-volume OD screamer you might want something with quick breakup and lower efficiency (which appear to be the Weber's selling points); if, however, you want that classic Ampeg high-headroom/"big clean" tone that made these amps the darlings of NYC club/studio musicians in the early/mid-60's, you'll need a high-efficiency "American-voiced" speaker - and IME nobody does those better than Eminence...
Not to get too far OT, but if you fall in the latter camp (as I do) a good set of tubes should take those reissue Diamond Blue amps deep into Linden (NJ) territory: http://www.thetubestore.com/Shop-by-...remium-Package I'm using these in my Bugera V22, and with an Eminence Swamp Thang speaker and a mild rebias I've got a '66 Gemini II/B-12XT "key club" tone-clone that'll hang with my blackface Super Reverb and Frontman 212R in the volume department (what I said about speaker efficiency, in a more-compact package; never got to pick one up while they were still in production, but I'm willing to bet this would be a fabulous plug-&-play setup in a Jet J-12T...
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Yes, I am looking for good clean sounds, BTW those tubes look killer. I am running JJ's right now and keep burning em up. Will the Lil' Texas give me enough bass? Read that about neodymium speakers. How about an Eminence Black Powder? Maybe a new Scorpion--It would be nice to get more volume out of this amp, had the resistor and the ribbon cable upgraded with point to point soldering.
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In order:
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Some great information here Steve, thanks for responding. The Cannabis Rex and Swamp thing wont fit in the Jet, gonna try the Lil Texas and see what happens. Had my Keyboard player/ engineer do the work on the Jet, he had one, and so did his friend. All three had broken down so he got the schematics and fixed them. Got a chance to A/B the difference between the 3, all had different tubes and speakers, the best sounding one had some sort of Marshal Celestion in it.
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My Ampeg Jet II running through 2 Scorpion speakers with my Strat and effects;
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FWIW, you mentioned the Celestion 'V-Type'...I have this speaker in one of my amps and really like it, but it is a more 'British' style speaker, very similar to a V30 but with a tighter low-end. Celestion also has an equivalent 'A-Type' which is supposed to be a more "American-voiced" speaker...I've never played through one, but it might be a better alternative if you're looking for that big, clean "Ampeg" sound. I believe these are both 70watt speakers.
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Thanks for the info, but my Jet cant fit the V type or A type, only 4.8' clearance. I do have a Carvin Cab that can fit anything right now, the sky's the limit for this one, maybe the A type with a Swamp Thing.
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