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I pronounce Sapele with a hard first e. Basically, "SaPEElee". I don't know anything. I looked it up a a few years ago and adopted what was being said by the wood cognoscenti.
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Yours is probably the right way to say it - but it would sound better my way if you said you wanted a sapele ukulele
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I have an all Sapele 000RS1 Martin that sounds so good maybe Martin ran out of Sapele at the time my guitar was being built and substituted genuine mahogany instead.
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I guess nobody can answer my question. But thanks anyway everybody.
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Post #13 answered it probably about as well as you are going to get.
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It could also be khaya...and they all can exhibit striping and color variations.... Funny story I read about khaya which is particularly ironic considering the topic we're discussing: 'Legend has it that an early botanist visiting Africa many years ago, saw this tree growing in a forest and asked his guide what it was called. The reply being ‘Khaya’ – which in the guide’s language meant ‘I don’t know’. The botanist, none the wiser, diligently wrote this down and the genus was named accordingly.'
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I think that I can correctly identify sapele from other mahoganies most of the time. I worked for a manufacturer utilizing African mahogany so I got used to identifying it, most of the time. Often it was coarse grained but sometimes it looks close to genuine mahogany. I like the look of the mahogany Martin uses in most 18 series - that uniform looking wood without figure or striping or ribbon. Some might think it boring but I really like it. I like the mahogany Eastman uses in it's mahogany guitars, especially that with some curly figure. I don't know exactly what it is or where the get it.
I think that most mahoganies work pretty much the same for guitar making purposes - they are going to look and sound similarly. I think that genuine mahogany is probably more stable and might be the best choice for a neck. I know that my 1893 Luscomb banjo with it's Cuban mahogany (I think) is still straight after all these years. Craftsmen who create artwork and hand carve mahogany have a better feel for the differences between genuine mahogany and it's distant cousins. Some would say that khaya doesn't deserve the name mahogany. But their criteria for the quality and suitability of each wood might be different than guitar makers. |
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'Thank you for writing us here at Taylor Guitars. When we use the name/term Tropical Mahogany, it is, in fact, Swietenia Macrophylla or we will state otherwise.' Swietenia Macrophylla is commonly known as Honduran mahogany, but Taylor sources it from other countries besides Honduras, so it makes sense to me that they might opt to call it something else besides "Honduran mahogany".
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Had always assumed it was sapele, but it could well be Khaya - they simply state it as South African mahogany. Cheers Rich |
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From everything I’ve read about Sipo (not Mahogany) it’s a fine replacement... cabinet makers are having the same problem with Hondours Mahogany, and find sipo is just as easy to cut, sand and stain, where as African Mahogany is hard and difficult to work with.
My thoughts are, just because a wood is easy to cut and stain, doesn’t necessarily make it tonely the same. I also think it’s wrong for Martin to call sipo - Mahogany... in 2013 they introduce the highly praised CEO 7, which was widely reviewed ... after 1000 guitars, they decide to use sipo ( less expensive) instead of Mahogany.... I think the CEO7 line should’ve stopped being produce, or name changed to CEO7-S instead of still saying it’s made of Mahogany. After 1000, it’s not the same Guitar. IMO... you can’t change over 50% of the wood on a Guitar, and because it stains and looks like Mahogany, don’t make it sound like Mahogany... if sipo is so excellent... why not put it on your new John Mayer guitars? Everybody knows over time how Real Mahogany opens up over time and sounds wonderful... nobody knows how sipo will mature... I just just think it’s wrong to take a successful line, change the wood with no warning, a less expensive wood, a tonally unproven wood, charge the same price, then call the wood something it is not. Who knows, maybe 20 years from sipo is like Brazilian and everybody’s over paying for it, or in 20 years it’s a clunk... who knows... but to slip it in on a popular pricey line, selling 2000 more without anybody knowing is BS. Last edited by DrewStrummer; 01-20-2018 at 10:39 AM. |
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I guess bracing is a little complex and boring compared to exotic woods and grain patterns.
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As far as Sipo goes, I cannot tell the difference (tonally) between it and mahogany. The difference in mahogany and sapele is more pronounced, but even that is not always clear cut. Sipo is the best tonal substitute for mahogany that I have heard, especially in terms of factory guitars. |