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Fret end bevels, are they really necessary ?
The more fret jobs I do, the more I think that the whole fret end bevelling thing is actually unnecessary.
The way I see it, the greater the amount of fret surface available, the better, and the less chance of the strings slipping off the end of the fret. I am about to undertake a fret replacement on one of my guitars, and do it without any bevelling, but rounding off the ends with 400- 600 paper. I will post pics of the finished results, along with observations of how it feels to play. I fully anticipate replies saying , hey dude , I have been doing that for years !!! |
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I like having the most fret real estate available as possible, for exactly the reason you mentioned. If I was a better player I wouldn't need it and would probably prefer a nicely beveled edge. But alas, I'm not!
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Bevel them. It is not a nice feel without them.
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I don't see why, Rick.
As long as the arrises are skilfully rounded, I fail to see why bevelling should be a sine qua non. |
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I need it - especially with the lower tunings I use! =D
I have no clue on fret work whatsoever though. I guess my tapping and slapping will have to do the work... |
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I tried it. You feel them. Try for example a F barre to A barre slide. The index finger is not happy.
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I would have thought that the less the fret bevel the better, especially with lowered tunings ... |
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It's all a matter of what most of us are used to...beveled fret ends.
I've replaced a few frets on cheap guitars over the years and didn't have the tools for a proper bevel job, so I just softened the edges and polished the ends. Worked just fine but felt "different" than any other guitar. Didn't really bother me but caused others to comment on the 'unevenness' of the fret ends. I'd venture to say that, if I'd replaced every fret, they'd never have noticed anything but a 'different' feel.
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Maybe our conceptions of "skilfully rounded" differ... |
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Though the bevel doesn't have to be as extreme as most people make them. I think 45° is pretty common but that uses up a lot of real estate. I bevel mine at 7° and I think they feel very nice.
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It is almost impossible to explain verbally the geometry involved, but basically if you look down on the fret from above, each end would be a semicircle, and then, you have to soften the arris into what is actually a quadrant of a sphere . Hey, I am just going to do it and post pics of the results ... |
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I prefer the feel of rounded fret ends. I think bevels are just a short cut.
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Bevel and smoothe - edges are distracting and cause poorer fret contact, not better. Lots of old vintage guitars that remained 100% stock have minimal beveling and too sharp edges - better guitars like Martins and Gibsons were beveled and smoothed. I picked up a stock 50's guitar the other day and the thin, unbeveled frets were almost painful to play - I recall putting it down and saying "yuck". The owner of the shop yelled from the back and said "I bet I know which guitar you just had in your hands".
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This is the fretwork on a Japanese factory guitar I used to own. I loved the feel! (They also make electrics, and it seems like the electric crowd is more picky about fret work.)
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somogyi rounds his off and tilts the neck to the side about a degree too. more room on the treble side because of tilt and more room in general because of the full radii on the frets. for those players who drag their hand on the neck it can be a little bumpy and for others not so. also for those players who pull the treble E towards their feet instead of bending up it can help a little to have some more fret to work with.
there's no right or wrong it depends on what the client wants so give them a choice. |