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Here is a spec sheet on Ultem followed by a spec sheet on DuPont Vespel. Maybe the data explains why players say BC's outperform Dunlop Ultex. http://www.sdplastics.com/ensinger/ultem.pdf http://www.dupont.com/content/dam/du...1-00-B0614.pdf |
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Does anyone market finger picks in this material?
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Extrapolating the cost of a single miracle flatpick, a thumb pick plus three fingers would run you around $200.
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However, as I stated above, Pine, the numbers (I just posted here elsewhere) show why and how they materials are used in jet fighters and heavy industry for very strenuous mechanical applications. That's hard data. Again, you cannot use celluloid or nylon or even Ultem in these environments; they won't hold up. My subtitle is "Science or Smoke & Mirrors?" Does the science explain why it makes a better pick. I dunno. The psychological approach is of course a possibility too, indeed, Pine. But let me posit a question: Do you think Red Bear could have a thriving business for twenty years, or Blue Chip for ten, if they were selling snake oil, merely snake oil? Anecdotal, yes. Do you think someone like Ricky Skaggs or Chris Thile would sign on as a sponsored player with BC merely for cash and free picks? From the kind of man I know Ricky to be, I say no. But I could be wrong. I would submit that this two wonderful companies, BC and RB, have built businesses on products that people value for their performance. I appreciate your honesty in stating you love your BC. You might do a blind "drop" test I mentioned to see the difference in the "ping" of the BC vs the others. Thanks! Scott Last edited by Kerbie; 07-24-2017 at 04:41 AM. Reason: Edited language to fit subtitle |
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Have you seen this strange, Bird-of-Paradise capo? I saw Jackson Browne use one recently: https://www.elderly.com/bird-of-para...-blackbird.htm |
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A-Mac, if you're referring to the thumbpick itself, I've never put a pencil to it, but you're looking at at least $100 retail for that, exclusive of the fingerpicks.
I don't use metal fingerpicks anymore, but my experience as a player is the moldability of the metal fingerpicks, their flex, allows you to really form them to your fingertips. The best application of these engineering plastics is a flat surface to a flat surface. Since a "flat" pick is mostly flat, that might explain why some players claim these mechanical properties make for a better pick. Again, speculation. scott |
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“It is not fairy dust, or myth-making, or a magic wand, or unusual mushrooms. It's hard science, folks.”
Again Scott, the statement above is what I was disagreeing with. I just feel you are making the jump from science used in one application to saying that if A + B is true, that A + C must therefore be true. "However, as I stated above, Pine, the numbers (I just posted here elsewhere) show why and how they materials are used in jet fighters and heavy industry for very strenuous mechanical applications. That's hard data." Then would it not also be true that folks that want superior results from their guitars should dump the old technology wooden things, and get on the Carbon Fiber bandwagon? After all, you don't see wood in the construction of modern fighter jets. Only on the old WWI stuff. You wood guys are playing the equivalent of Sopwith Camels, while we CF guys are playing with F22's. "But let me posit a question: Do you think Red Bear could have a thriving business for twenty years, or Blue Chip for ten, if they were selling snake oil, merely snake oil?" Would Zager still be in business?
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My objection to your post lies in your assertion of scientific validation, when in truth you have simply generated a thread about your commercial offering. I have no experience of your picks, so I cannot comment on them. But I think you are taking the members for fools.
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I have a couple of BC and CL picks. They are good, mellow picks. But I'm confused as to the purpose of this if it is not to shill expensive picks. Every pick thread seems to find its way to CL. Maybe its just me but "you protest too much" comes to mind. No offense
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This is the only scientific data needed to determine the best material for guitar picks. I suggest that you don't do this over 3 feet above the stone if the wind is blowing. ......Mike Last edited by 00-28; 07-17-2017 at 02:37 PM. |
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OK. I was primarily interested in finger picks, but since you brought up thumb picks, I looked at the Blue Chip site and I see thumb picks for forty bucks. So . . . . . . ?
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I hope that was dry sarcasm, because if it was it's priceless.
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On the second point: I'm a wood guy myself, but I do believe in twenty years the acoustic guitar market will show a lot more composites and compounds, including Martin, Taylor, Yamaha and Gibson. Speculation? Yes. A guess?> Yes. But I'd say an educated guess. They've already banned Brazilian rosewood, and I've heard recently that Indian is going on the CITES list (does anyone know the latest on this?). As stated earlier, it was an ACCIDENT that some companies discovered that engineering plastics might make a good pick. They were not designed for that, but some have entertained speculation that those mechanical properties replicate the mechanical properties of genuine TS. #3: Zager: I had to look them up. No awareness. How long have they been around? Yes, there are gimmicks everywhere in our industry, but Zager is not viewed by hardly anyone serious about guitars as equivalent to any of the serious makers. Many players put the pick brands I mentioned in my original post on the same footing as Fender, Dunlop, etc. Smoke and mirrors? Mass delusion? Could be. Let me ask you a question: You say you like your BC best? Do you think it's possible that there is some scientific explanation related to the molecular structure of that compound that might explain why it's your go-to pick over the hundreds of others you own? From a purely technical perspective, why do you like it best? If you played it blindfolded and people handed you six or so different picks, do you think you could pick it out? You strike me as a very analytical, data-driven guy, so I'm curious. sm |