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I sometimes wonder if the same types of discussions would take place if KFC started using the terminology "chicken" and "genuine chicken".
The "chicken" certainly looks and tastes like chicken - would you want to know, or be better off not knowing.
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I want to know. I do know and I'm glad I know. Now I am able to make an informed decision. The same can be said for processed ham and pink slime.
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I sometimes wonder if many of those on this and other forums that defend Martin's policies in this regard would show equally tolerant opinions if it was Taylor that was using sipo and calling it mahogany.
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For everyone else, I'm guessing the minutiae of wood nomenclature and taxonomy is pretty irrelevant. Last edited by Guest 728; 01-22-2018 at 12:43 PM. |
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In the Pre-WWII period Martin experimented with Sitka in the teens, used Sitka for bracing, red spruce for flattops, and Sitka for carved tops. Switched to Sitka for all guitars beginning in 1945. Used red spruce and German spruce in small quantities in the 1950's and early 1960's, which is now documented and confirmed by archival information. Switched to IRW in late 1969. Used some African mahogany (probably Khaya) in the early 1970's. Used Engelmann and Sitka interchangeably throughout the 1980's. NONE of those things were ever publicized or used in any sort of promotional material. |
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Excuse me, no time to read the entire thread, but did he mean Sapele? If so, I have several Epiphone Masterbilts that I believe use it back and sides and they are very fine guitars.
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This thread won't die.
It got me thinking again and you know that ain't good. How does anyone know what mahogany pre-war Martins were/are? If we can agree that a pre-war Martin is a holly grail then we need to know what that mahogany is.
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That's been my question for 6 pages.......
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SIPO may be the next great thing, I hope it is because it seems like "genuine" mahogany is almost gone. I think people just want to know what they're paying for when they spend thousands of dollars on wood glued together to make vibrations. |
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Recently, Martin, with out explanation changed the Genuine Mahogany on their CEO-7 line to SIPO... and some folks, like myself are questioning it, as it is new and priced the same. SIPO - stains, cuts, sands, looks (doesn't smell) like Mahogany but is technically not Mahogany... But Martin has decided to call it Mahogany. After reading more about SIPO, Cabinet and fine wood furniture makers love SIPO, because of the reasons listed above... plus it's less expensive. The question from guitar consumers is, how is it tonally - now and over time...... and why don't guitar manufactures just call it SIPO. |
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Recently, Martin, with out explanation changed the Genuine Mahogany on their CEO-7 line to SIPO... and some folks, like myself are questioning it, as it is new and priced the same. SIPO - stains, cuts, sands, looks (doesn't smell) like Mahogany but is technically not Mahogany... But Martin has decided to call it Mahogany. After reading more about SIPO, Cabinet and fine wood furniture makers love SIPO, because of the reasons listed above... plus it's less expensive. The question from guitar consumers is, how is it tonally - now and over time...... and why don't guitar manufactures just call it SIPO. |
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You forgot "sounds like mahogany." At least until someone who thought they had mahogany learns that it's sipo...
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LOL!!!! You may be right!!!! But I don't have a natural hog so what do I know... just want the specs that are advertised. |
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