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My frustration was none of the new ones sounded like an associate's 1960 ES-335. Most were $3000-$5000+ guitars (fat necks, 50s reissues). Collings SoCo 16s nailed the tone that former coworker's 1960 guitar has with far superior workmanship in the same price range. My experience was not like a lot of Internet talk where all Gibsons are crap quality but honestly, few were made as well as Herritage and Collings. This including my proximity to Dave's, CME and Cream City where just one road trip could let you handle more ES-335s than a lot of places even have any decent guitars. My conclusion was if you've got that tribal have to have a Gibson logo that's one thing. If you can find a Gibson that's made well that's great. If you want a tremendous thin semi-hollow Herritage and Collings make superior stuff. For Herritage I landed in the camp that has to plug my nose and shut my eyes about the headstock. Collings designs are their take on the originals with nice touches, or for ES-335 it's really a SoCo 16 that doesn't look like a 335 but is a very nice looking instrument. Edit: P.S. I can't say I know close up what a real 1959 might sound like, but that former coworker's 1960 did not have pickups as overpowering as all the modern Gibsons I tried. Still, it has wonderful tone with an amp overdriven. My guitar has Lollar "low wind" where I thought the idea was best replicating older guitars. Maybe it's old ears but the already premium Lollars did not sound inferior or even much different than the VERY expensive Throbak pickups some of my same guitar model have. P.S.S. That 1960 guitar shows wear, not as sloppy build as a lot of modern Gibsons, but also not made with the perfection you see the best modern builders have. It added to my often thinking for all the want of vintage guitars, we might be living in the real or next golden age.
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Hey Beach, that makes sense about drilling the holes. BTW, your Memphis looks great! As far as the Friedman amps go, they're so expensive. I played the Runt 50 which is the 'cheap' one at $1800.
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I knew those Friedmans are pretty pricey.. Man, they sound so good in the vids, though. I'd love to plug into one. I may seek one out and do that soon.. |
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Seems he took it upon himself to install a third screw thru the pickguard.... The bracket assembly plainly only came with the two screws, so he added a new 3rd screw thru the guard... No other 335's have this third screw through the pickguard. I guess it's not the end of the world, but now it doesn't look "right" to me.. I'll talk to him about it Monday.. It's supposed to look like this: Last edited by Beachrunner; 03-10-2018 at 11:37 AM. |
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On the other hand, the bracket came with only 2 screws? Under my theory, if packaged correctly, there should have been 3. But, this is the bracket and it shows only 2 screws and they match the ones you received: http://www.mlaval.com/index.php/hard...lated-569.html If you'd gone with Allparts' compatible bracket, it appears it would have worked - note the block I mentioned: https://www.allparts.com/AP-0626-001...ket_p_364.html That's likely why the Allparts guard, like the Gibson guard, doesn't have the extra screw hole. I consider it significant that mlaval, seller of your bracket, doesn't offer a guard specifically for the 335 (or any Gibson archtop). A mystery, indeed. Worst case? You start over with gen-u-ine Gibson stuff, new or used. Last edited by ChrisN; 03-10-2018 at 12:32 PM. |
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I see what you're saying here in the Allparts bracket vs the mLaval.. Yeah, I guess I should have ordered the Allparts bracket along with the Allparts guard (or the actual Gibson parts), but I ordered both from Amazon - and this is the bracket they suggested for the Allparts guard, so I just went with that. I never even opened the package with the Allparts guard in it to notice a black plastic block on the back - I just handed it over directly to my tech. And I bet you're right about the mLaval bracket - it's probably designed to fit "most archtop guitars" - just like the link said... And I also see in your link that the Allparts bracket does have the block.. Next time I'll pay more attention to what I order.. I just assumed the mLaval bracket would fit - since that's what Amazon "suggested" for this Allparts pickguard... But in retrospect... Always get the guard and the bracket from the same company... Learned a lesson there. No, I won't be too hard on my tech - he may tell me the same thing you just said here.. So, Chris - you explained it here perfectly - Plain and simple, I ordered the wrong bracket. Last edited by Beachrunner; 03-10-2018 at 02:07 PM. |
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BTW: Made it to CME today but not for the semi hollow bodies but to play Friedman amps ... and of course some great acoustics too. |
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Thanks for the kind words on the pickguard fiasco. But yeah, I think I'm just gonna live with it at this point. It actually doesn't look bad - even though it's not ES-335 "correct". As Chris noted, I should have just ordered the Allparts bracket to go along with the Allparts pickguard... No brainer there. But as I mentioned earlier, I just assumed the mLaval one would fit - especially since Amazon suggested it for the Allparts guard.. But you know what they say about assuming... |
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Apart from new/used Gibson stuff, it looks like you could get another Allparts guard and the Allparts bracket and install them yourself, since the tech correctly put the holes in the guitar. But, I can't speak to how the guard is attached to that block - I removed my guard to clean the guitar and the bracket came off with the guard once both "guitar" screws were removed. I didn't pay close attention to the block, however. |
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Sadly, lesson learned... https://www.amazon.com/Allparts-5-Pl.../dp/B000W60ZUW Last edited by Beachrunner; 03-10-2018 at 04:40 PM. |
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I bought a 2016 Wine Red studio a couple of weeks ago and found the same - switching from Taylor acoustic to Fender (and G&L) electric to Gibson 335 feels quite effortless. Nothing feels unfamiliar if you know what I mean.
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That is a lovely guitar! I’ve recently bought the wine red version. I am considering adding a pickguard though I quite like it without...
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Yeah, I debated about putting a pickguard on mine, but I'm still glad that I put the guard on - even though the look is not exactly what I wanted (with the extra screw in there). But if you do decide to put a pickguard on yours, be sure you get the guard and the bracket from the same company!!... |
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