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Martin 00 vs 000 tone question
The 00 top is 14 5/16” wide. The the 000 top is 15” wide.
The 00 body depth is 4 5/8”, the 000 body depth is 4 1/8”. Since the 000 top is only 1/4” more than the 00 and the body depth of the 00 is 1/2” deeper than the 000. How can the 000 have any better tone? I ask because I haven’t had the occasion to compare them. I’m guessing that the top has a lot more to do with tone than body depth does. Thanks |
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I have a Martin 00-18
Before I bought it I went to Gruhns and played a single 0, double 0 and triple 000-18. I did not hear a ton of difference between the 00 and 000...the single was the first one to have a noticeable dip in the bottom end and volume. I think Maury posted a video of this comparison on their Youtube page. I don't think standard 00 is 4 5/8s? I think that is only on the Tweedy model and the 'DB' models. I have wanted one of those for a while becuase of the V-neck and the depth, but there are lots of guitars I want and can't afford (LOL) But yeah...google "00-18 vs 000-18" and i think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I love my 00 and we have spent a lot of comfortable hours together
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Tone is entirely subjective. My 00-28 has remarkable bass response for its size. My 000's are both mahogany, so I can't compare apples to apples, but the 000-18MD does have a bit more bass.
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I’m in the Atlanta area and will probably try to get down to Maple Street. Righteous has a better selection but you have to go somewhere else first to get there from here 😂. Well, thanks for the input 😊. |
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Seemingly, you mixed up the numbers, jbow. This is what Maury says about it...
From Maury's Music: 00-14 fret BODY LENGTH 18-7/8" UPPER BOUT WIDTH 10-7/8" LOWER BOUT WIDTH 14-5/16" UPPER BOUT DEPTH 3-11/32" LOWER BOUT DEPTH 4-1/8" 000-14 fret BODY LENGTH 19-3/8" UPPER BOUT WIDTH 11-1/4" LOWER BOUT WIDTH 15" UPPER BOUT DEPTH 3-11/32" LOWER BOUT DEPTH 4-1/8" My take? The difference in tone can be noticeable. I still have 00s as I am OK with those differences, in favor of shape.
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For my 00/000 Martin pair the tone is different(both rosewood, one decades older). I have found that the 000 handles harder play better. YMMV. Have fun in your discoveries.
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What is better tone to you? For someone who wants presence, fast response, and mid to high frequency projection, the 00 might have better tone. For the person who feels bass and volume = better tone, the 000 is superior.
They both have their place. My 00s do things my 000s don't and vice versa. |
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I have a 000-18, CEO-7 (00) and a 000-28 12 fret. They each sound different but that seems to be due to the build and materials: the first two are mahogany and spruce, the last is rosewood and adi-and it's the loudest!
Not to hijack the thread but I recently switched from Elixir PB lights to Daddario XS PB lights and love the difference on all of them.
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Better is subjective. But those seemingly tiny differences in dimensions to add up to some small difference in body size and resonance. Moreover I think they also make small changes is the relative locations of important tone affecting things like the location of the bridge, location of the x-brace, etc... A bunch tiny things that add to some appreciable differences. Personally I prefer the tone of a 00 |
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I have both OO and OOO in mahagany. Both short scale and 12 fret.
The OO is wonderful, clear, sweet. Cannot say enough about it. The OOO is the same, just more. A touch louder, somewhat deeper bass. I totally get lost in this one and neglect the OO. Then I realize that they all need played and the OOO gets relegated to the case for a couple of weeks. So, sorry, not very helpful...they are both great. Buy em both! |
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I could have read them wrong 😑 |
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I flatpick the OO at times. ( well, I try) It does not break down. Bare flesh thumb can sound a bit boxy to my ears sometimes. That is when I know it is time for a string change. |