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Ridiculous to have to choose. I have two carbons I love. Just bought a hand built higher end wood guitar. Its wonderful. Why can't I like both?
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It was a hypothetical comment, meaning I like the wood tone more. As in I had to sell all but one guitar to save my home or family, that's all, I don't plan on getting rid of my Rain Song.
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I personally wouldn't have an all wood guitar if there is a better choice. I happen to not like wooden pegs for one thing although I still have them on my fiddle. Innovation happens! In many cases our choice is to accept it or continue to play on antiquated instruments. Sometimes the innovation is not clearly better or worse, it's just different or the results are inconclusive.
We're not playing on lutes, lyres and cat gut anymore because the modern guitar is clearly better (unless you are a lute player who refuses to accept change). We now see 7 strings and more, harp guitars, DoBros, tuner changes, string improvements, X bracing, etc… Carbon fiber is just another direction that seems reasonable to go in. I have played about 6 or 8 different CF guitars. Some I have liked better than others. I have played probably on the order of 30 or 40 wood guitars. Some I have liked better than others also. The carbon fibers I have played are a smaller sample, but all the production ones I have played are definitely as good as any mid range ($500 - $2000) guitar I have touched or better. Of acoustic guitars only, I currently own two carbon fiber guitars and three modern wood guitars. All have their unique place in my life (though I am considering selling my 7 string wood acoustic). I might give it to my kids someday though because it has a wonderful sound and I still use it for picking. |
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My mama taught me that "if you don't have something nice to say, it is best not to say anything at all." Maybe you missed that lesson, because I'm sure your mama taught it to you as well.
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Congrats, billder. I have a Rainsong Hybrid series WS that I love (and a Martin that I love). Don't let the CF haters rain on your NGD parade!
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I played a Rainsong hybrid series 6 string acoustic/electric at GC today. Wow! What a surprise. Excellent sound, and loved the neck. Am definitely considering it for a future addition to our collection. Does anyone here know how consistent the sound is? I'm used to the variability of wood guitars, where with two identical models, one will sound superior.
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Sold my Ovation CC057 years ago and don't really that guitar either. However, carbon fiber rocks and there are a handful I would love to own. Love wood guitars too. I will say this: write about carbon fiber guitars or the latest reviews and they will read. Sell the carbon fiber and they will buy. There is a major trade-off to the cost of CF guitars, and that is their practicality. Try taking any all wood instruments anywhere you want to go and getting "away" for a moment in practice. You just can't do that with wood. Can't wait to get my Shorty. It will sound great next to my Breedlove.
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I spent a bunch of hours reading threads on AGF Carbon Fiber forum, and the "other" CF forum. It seems the consensus is that CF guitars are very consistent within a given manufacturer and model. It makes sense... less variables, and the CF material & resin are super consistent (whereas wood varies significantly in tone quality). Consistency is often stated as an advantage of CF guitars.
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_________________________________________ The Tree: I was alive in the forest, I was cut by the cruel axe. In life I was silent, In death I sweetly sing. Now back living in Baja Sur where I started my carbon fiber journey... Bend OR was too cold! Last edited by billder99; 09-12-2014 at 07:56 PM. |
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Thanks! That's reassuring. Now I don't feel I have to hurry back, and get the one I played today.
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You can ..... it's up too you
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UPDATE: For the last 6 weeks, I have played nothing but my Rainsong WS-1000. It has required focus and a bit of determination, but my left hand is now used to the N2 neck and my ears have become accustomed to the balanced crystalline tone.
I prefer the more complex, warmer, richer tone of my wood guitars (Mahog/Adi being my fav combo)... but it has taken a lot of play time to come to that conclusion. The balance and note separation is so striking on the CF guitar... for lead playing, no acoustic is better. I play melodic rhythm and fills for vocal accompaniment, and in spite of the difference I make the CF work... it is very sensitive to dynamics, and I focus on that to put depth into a song. However, I didn't get the Rainsong for tone... I got it for it's ability to withstand harsh travel and it has done that in ACES. I have traveled up and down the Baja twice, put the guitar in the back of my stiff-suspension 4x4 truck with the sun on it all day, played early in the morning on the NoCal coast in cool moist dewy air... I actually dropped it hard (first time ever dropping a guitar) face down on a wood deck, not a scratch... wanted to give it a real test, and it has passed with flying colors. This beast is frickin' durable!!! I'm now playing it more thru an amp and I like the Fishman electronics... the tuner is surprisingly good, and tone is as good as my K&Ks... I will always hate the barn door, can't stand the look, but oh well. I'm glad I got the WS-1000. I really wanted a Shorty or OM size body, but I am used to the feel, projection and volume of a dread. This guitar is monstrously present in any group, loves single note work, fantastic for playing in a band. One last thing... I get tons of high complements on the look of the WS-1000... again, not really my aesthetic style, but it is cool that so many people love the look. I am very happy to have taken the leap by trying a CF guitar, and I could not be happier than I am with the quality of Rainsong.
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Well written and thought out. That is the CF journey in a couple paragraphs.
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Hey Billder:
Congrats on the guitar. I got my rainsong out of necessity but now I play it because I love the sound. (Though my Stonebridge Is the one I go to for pure tone euphorea). I also find the Rainsong/fishman/aura combo a very versatile system for live sound. Especially in situations were the sound system is not optimal.
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Same for me; bought my Rainsong OM for play-anywhere durability, and love the almost piano-like tones. I love guitar, and am thrilled to have one I can keep in my car on just about any given kind of day. I also find that while we obsess over "tone", when I take the guitar out and play, it simply sounds like a guitar to anyone listening. I'm fortunate that I love it, though.
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