3 second strumming pattern needed

[Spence]

Can anyone recognize the strumming "stumble" that Jimmy Rodgers plays at time :43 in this youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIBmGZxAhg

Been trying it with no success.

Thanks

[darrwhit]

That's a tough one. Looks like he's doing a syncopated rhythm with all down strokes to me. I can approximate it, but my closest approximation feels more natural with upstrokes to me.

[stanron]

It sounds like he is playing groups of three eighth notes over a 4/4 bar. If no one else comes up with specific tab I'll look at it tomorrow.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by darrwhit

That's a tough one. Looks like he's doing a syncopated rhythm with all down strokes to me. I can approximate it, but my closest approximation feels more natural with upstrokes to me.

Yeah, he down strokes 2-3 strings first, looks like somewhere from G down then he goes back and simply plucks the low strings. Not to many either. Wish we could have a close up option on video. Pretty sure they're all down strokes. Cordage doesn't change.

[FwL]

Strum strum bass strum... bass strum strum bass strum... bass strum strum strum


Written out it would be

1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 &
S   S   B S   B S   S   B S   B S   S S

[darrwhit]

He does that riff earlier in the song at about 0:15. It kind of sounds like he might be doing something like this:
___________3___________3__________________________ ___3_____3
___________3___________3___________3______________ ___3_____3
_________________________________________4________ __________
_____5___________5___________5_________________5__ __________

on the top four strings.

[Spence]

Well folks, looks like I got some practicing to do.

Thanks for solving that one.

[Spence]

update:

Been trying it with no success.

I got YT on super slow, and I've got a magnifying glass for the screen. Nothing helps. Does anyone have the standard guitar tabs for this lick?

He does C7 on third fret and that stays solid. Like I said he strums 3 times on all strings what I see are the highs. Then he plucks maybe 4 times and that's it the phantom strings. Thing is I can't get the notes either, never mind the pattern. It could be because he's playing a parlor guitar and I'm a dreadnought and it's a computer speaker, can't say and not concerned too much about that part.

I tried plucking dead strings on the C7, and that doesn't work and with different variations either.

Argghhh!

[stanron]

The bit that I thought you were after is played over a G chord;

x x 5 4 3 3

very close to darrwhit's post. I've put it into two bars but he appears to put an extra beat in front of it. The first four notes of each bar are down strokes and the last two are down and up.



If you want to count it try this

  D D   D D   D U   D D   D D   D U

┌───3─────3───3─3─┬───3─────3───3─3─╖
├───3─────3───3─3─┼───3─────3───3─3─╢
├─────────────────┼─────────────────╢
├─5─────5─────────┼─5─────5─────────╢
├─────────────────┼─────────────────╢
└─────────────────┴─────────────────╜

 .1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + . 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

I hope this helps.

[stanron]

I've been watching the video again full screen and the G chord he's playing is possibly not

x x 5 4 3 3

It looks more like

x x 5 4 0 3

so the simple tab would be

  D D   D D   D U   D D   D D   D U

┌───3─────3───3─3─┬───3─────3───3─3─╖
├───0─────0───0─0─┼───0─────0───0─0─╢
├───4─────4───────┼───4─────4───────╢
├─5─────5─────────┼─5─────5─────────╢
├─────────────────┼─────────────────╢
└─────────────────┴─────────────────╜

 .1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + . 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

Whether you play the third string or not is probably not all that important.

[darrwhit]

With apologies for my unprofessional tab

_____1_____2_____3_____4______1_and_2_and_3_and_4_ and

___________3___________3__________________3_____3_ _3
___________3___________3__________________3_____3_ _3
_________________________________4________________ __
_____5___________5____________5________5__________ __


Hopefully the timing lines up OK when this posts.

It's the second measure where I think he's doing some of these mystery notes. My first thought was a along the lines of some eighth note crosspicking, but the above gives you the right rhythm and enables all downstrokes except for the quick upstroke strum at the end.

By the way, very cool song that I'd come across before but never paid attention to this cool riff, Spence. After working on this, I'm kind of inclined to start working on my yodel!

[FwL]

Originally Posted by Spence

update:

Been trying it with no success.

I got YT on super slow, and I've got a magnifying glass for the screen. Nothing helps. Does anyone have the standard guitar tabs for this lick?

He does C7 on third fret and that stays solid. Like I said he strums 3 times on all strings what I see are the highs. Then he plucks maybe 4 times and that's it the phantom strings. Thing is I can't get the notes either, never mind the pattern. It could be because he's playing a parlor guitar and I'm a dreadnought and it's a computer speaker, can't say and not concerned too much about that part.

I tried plucking dead strings on the C7, and that doesn't work and with different variations either.

Argghhh!

Ok... you're getting a lot of conflicting replies on this thread so I'll give it one more shot in the hopes that I'm not just adding more confusion.


You said 0:43.

Is the part you're trying to figure out the fill he plays at the 3rd fret after singing "You sure don't have to stall"?

If so, he's just holding a G chord and playing the pattern I laid out in my previous post.

-3---3-----3-----|-3---3-----3-----3---------
-3---3-----3-----|-3---3-----3-----3---3-3---
-4---4-----4-----|-4---4-----4-----4---4-4---
---------5-----5-|---------5-----5-----------
-----------------|---------------------------
-----------------|---------------------------
 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &   1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 &

[Spence]

Originally Posted by darrwhit

That's a tough one. Looks like he's doing a syncopated rhythm with all down strokes to me. I can approximate it, but my closest approximation feels more natural with upstrokes to me.

Same with me. The way I see it he plays it on the "thelma" line, and he's already at C7 of the third fret. Moving on, he does the three downstrokes on the high strings in prep for the lick. The pickin hand is all down from now on and the chord hand doesn't move. From here I tried an harmonic 5 with open 4 follow through. Close. (someone's tab suggests this). It's iffy. Then I tried 5 with 4, no doing. Worse. Next is the temptation to upstroke on the third string, and that's where I get the approximation. But what bugs me is he does all down. The only thing that would mask no movement on the picking is a dead note where the hand is lowered to deaden the vibration slightly, but I tried it and that's not it.

My wife's late uncle had it all down pat. He played it great and I'm sorry I payed no attention to it when we jammed. But it sure would fit in as a new lick in classic country now and rarely do I see it.

A lot of work you guys are doing. If I could I'd buy all you guys a round.

[darrwhit]

Spence, where are you getting a C7 on the third fret? That sounds wrong to me.

I transcribe the verse as:
G,G,G",G"
T for Texas... T for Tennessee...
C,C,G,G
T for Texas... T for Tennessee...
D7,D7,G,G
T for Thelma, that gal that made a wreck outta me...

where G" is xx5433 (e.g. a barred G chord on the third fret). This G" is where he's doing the syncopation.

[stanron]

It's definitely a G chord but it does kind of look a bit like C7 at the 3rd fret. His second finger looks like it could be on the fourth fret but it could also be not touching at all.

It could be as simple as

x x 5 0 0 3

You could use the same down stroke to hit the fourth string and then the first, pause, do it again and then do a down and up on the first string. Try that and go for the feel of the rhythm. You don't have to be too precise about which strings you pick, the open G and B strings all fit in the chord anyway.