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That's one of the things I listen to anyway - as KevWind pointed out in another thread my tinnitus riddled rock and roll damaged fogey ears are not the finest precision instruments, but by cranking up the long tails of clips I can get a feel for the relative self-noise of the recording chains. The comparison was pretty interesting among these clips, because one of the mics is particularly noted for its low self-noise. As always, thanks for your contributions. I know my recordings would be a lot worse if you were less generous with your knowledge and experience. Fran
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It's important to challenge what you think you know. Audio in particular can be very subjective. Thanks for keeping us honest If I'd got that wrong I was going to stop recommending mics, or making any kind of comments about audio, because it wasn't just that I thought I knew; I was sure I knew. It would have meant there was something badly wrong with my perception of audio quality. The EV RE15 looks like an iinteresting mic (never heard one before). I was reading up about it and apparently it's got quite a tight pattern and what it does pick up off-axis is fairly uncoloured. Haven't tried Doug's test yet. That's going to be harder. |
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Interesting, they were all SO close that I really had to wrack my brain and take notes. After receiving the PM, turns out I correctly identified the schoeps and RE15 but I couldn't tell the difference between the A6 and the NT1....I guess that helps the point!
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I love that you've done this Fran - may I pls have the answer via pm as well.
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Hey Fran, thanks again for doing this. After getting the results key it looks as if I just might be able to save myself some serious coinage.
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Not if you consider the rest of the equipment he used
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Good stuff, Fran. Thanks!!
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I have no experience with 3 of the 4 mics in this test, so I can't begin to guess which is which, but my impression is that there's surprising little difference while the music's playing - some difference, but nothing that would leap out to any casual listener, but some very interesting stuff going on if you listen to the tail. Differences should be very evident if you listen to the tail on my switching back and forth track. One track shows dramatically more noise than the others. Another has a big low end boost that kind of masks the noise a bit. One mic has a slightly reduced low end. I guess that leaves one that's "normal" :-) There's actually a little more noise than I'd like on all 4 tracks, not sure what's up with that.
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The NT1 was the first one I got. I don't want to give anything specific away but it lived up to it's reputation... Easy to spot if you know what that is.
The Schoeps stood out with its subtlety, precision and general awesomeness. It feels like every separate frequency is arriving in sync and on time with nothing added or taken away and no phasing, ringing, or distortion to muddy up the sound. Great mics. I own an A6 so that probably helped me to identify it. Was surprised how well it stood up beside the Schoeps. A good budget mic. I hadn't heard an EV RE15 before and although the kind of flaws I expected to hear in a dynamic were present, they were harder to hear than I expected. I'm impressed. Looks like a useful mic, although it wouldn't be my first choice for acoustic guitar. |
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Recently, while testing mics prior to buying the Schoeps CTC6.4, I noticed the biggest differences when I took the Apogee Quartet out of the chain and recorded through the Apogee Symphony IO and Pacifica Preamp.
The Symphony/Pacifica allowed me to hear and identify the differences much more clearly. I think that the signal chain can have a major part is allowing varying microphones to exhibit differing properties. In another words, the differences tend to be reduced to where even lesser mics show less differentiation from the upper end mics. I first noticed this when i was at the university recording studio. I could hear differences that I couldn't hear previously. In any event, the Schoeps stands out quite convincingly. Last edited by SpiritShooter; 03-08-2013 at 08:57 AM. |
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I think that, on a good monitoring setup, it is clear and without question which take is the Schoeps. You don't even need a second listen to pick it out. I don't think you need to have owned or even recorded with one to pick it out either - one of the takes stands out because of its clarity, accuracy, and lack of hype. That take would be the Schoeps. Doug, moon - would you guys disagree with that?
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PM'd my listening experience.
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@Scott
Absolutely. It's maybe the best mic I've ever heard on acoustic guitar (and probably lots of other things too). "Best" kind of depends what sound you're looking for, but in terms of accuracy and so-real-you-can-reach-out-and-touch-it-ness, Schoeps are excellent. |